Champions in a nutshell.

King Lego··2 votes·1,995 views

It makes me wonder if meddler and ghostcrawler even know what these champions are at a basic level.

However, what i find disturbing is how some champions are put in a role as their primary. I mean, Chogath is a top lane champion, but can do well mid and jungle. Put him in top lane not jungle! The list goes on, of course, but the last thing i need is a wall of text.

Speaking of champions in a certain category gone wrong, as a Velkoz main, i find this just too stupid to put that squid in the support role. Vel'Koz's main role is mid, so put him in the mid lane category. Sure he can do fine in support, but still should've put him in mid lane category.

"did we think he was going to be popular in support?" Yeah, to those who wanted an easy KS on the enemy bot lane. That's how i think of him when played support by others. Vel'Koz support is like a cute little squid, with an evil twisted mind, planning for world domination using the ADC as a pawn for his schemes.

However, Vel'Koz mid is like a darn kraken from start to finish who can go full hentai on the enemy (when played properly of course, and also who the lane opponent is), and end the game with every enemy completely ship wrecked from a kraken attack like in the Pirates of the Caribbean.

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HP Crookshanks4 votes

Mid lane is dominated by assassins (Kassadin Leblanc Zed Talon etc.) and bruisers/fighters/tanks/juggernauts/divers/slayers or whatever (Irelia Aatrox Yasuo Urgot etc.). Because of that mages suffer in the mid lane and pushed into the support role (Annie Brand Karma Lux Morgana Velkoz Zyra )

Witchy Wench2 votes

[{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6ENQ3VX,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-16T19:33:22.404+0000)

Mid lane is dominated by assassins (Kassadin Leblanc Zed Talon etc.) and bruisers/fighters/tanks/juggernauts/divers/slayers or whatever (Irelia Aatrox Yasuo Urgot etc.). Because of that mages suffer in the mid lane and pushed into the support role (Annie Brand Karma Lux Morgana Velkoz Zyra )

THIS THIS THIS

King Lego2 votes

[{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6ENQ3VX,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-16T19:33:22.404+0000)

Mid lane is dominated by assassins (Kassadin Leblanc Zed Talon etc.) and bruisers/fighters/tanks/juggernauts/divers/slayers or whatever (Irelia Aatrox Yasuo Urgot etc.). Because of that mages suffer in the mid lane and pushed into the support role (Annie Brand Karma Lux Morgana Velkoz Zyra )

1- hell to the yeah that's true, but I doubt mages are weak for mid lane. It's just difficult to reach the powerspike. 2- this seriously pisses me off. Irelia mid is very toxic.

Sailor Mint1 votes

That video was produced by Wired, not Riot.

Meddler and Ghostcrawler had very little control over it.

As for your Vel'Koz comment. In all major regions, except EUW/EUNE, his Support pick rate is significantly higher than his mid lane pick rate. Lowest mid lane pick rate in Korea (~30%), highest in Europe (~50%).

King Lego1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sailor Mint,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6ENQ3VX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-16T18:58:27.503+0000)

That video was produced by Wired, not Riot.

Meddler and Ghostcrawler had very little control over it.

As for your Vel'Koz comment. In all major regions, except EUW/EUNE, his Support pick rate is significantly higher than his mid lane pick rate. Lowest mid lane pick rate in Korea (~30%), highest in Europe (~50%).

Isn't wired like some sort of interview channel or something? Forgive me, I don't understand this very much if whether or not the video was made by riot. I see no difference if it was a riot video anyway.

Anyway, yeah yeah I know about how Vel is being played. I personally don't even like it. Nothing else really.

woodvsmurph1 votes

The best ranged mids with strong damage on a low budget end up going to support role often. Just ask brand mains.

King Lego1 votes

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The best ranged mids with strong damage on a low budget end up going to support role often. Just ask brand mains.

Sounds like a cheap play to me really.

Though I'm not a big fan because you'll lack utility, tankiness and heavy cc.

I mean a Karma can protect her ADC vs a Zed pretty well while a Brand can't really do that.

woodvsmurph1 votes

You don't pick the champ to help your adc directly. People pick them to carry. To make life hell for the enemy bot duo all by themselves. You get fed 2v2... a zed running down bot to gank a fed adc and support isn't going to have a very good time. And even with the karma... the zed can just ult whoever doesn't get the shield so one of them is still going down most likely.

King Lego1 votes

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You don't pick the champ to help your adc directly. People pick them to carry. To make life hell for the enemy bot duo all by themselves. You get fed 2v2... a zed running down bot to gank a fed adc and support isn't going to have a very good time. And even with the karma... the zed can just ult whoever doesn't get the shield so one of them is still going down most likely.

Which to my opinion, is pretty toxic gameplay.

"the zed can just ult whoever doesn't get the shield so one of them is still going down most likely." That's basically a 1 for 1 trade if the bot is fed, and even a lost tower for the zed.

Supports are meant to protect their allies with tankiness and shields and heals and even cc. Brand and Vel'Koz might be effective, but they are just damage dealers. I would rather have a Soraka for a support rather than Brand and Vel'Koz really.

woodvsmurph1 votes

Not really. The zed will just hop back to his original r and/or use his w to ensure adc basically can't land anything beyond a few aa's at best. And in laning phase, the adc isn't going to be THAT fed.

I'm not in disagreement that brand and vel'koz shouldn't be staple or top tier support picks. I'm the guy who would pick leona when playing a melee sup was troll and everyone spammed mage supports only. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RyzH5dCJjI Or the game where brand was #1 sup at the time by a mile and my jhin adc and I got like 6 kills 2v2 before dying. And that only as I level 5 (again on leona) tower dove a brand to secure my adc another kill and deny brand a huge minion wave while his adc was respawning in base. So I agree with you completely on that matter.

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