Counter Jungling Is Really Hard To Deal With Without Stealth Wards.

King Odin··10 votes·762 views

Hi, I'm an Amumu main and as you know people love counter jungling this little guy Amumu, especially Shyvana Shaco LeeSin Nidalee.

Now as many of you all know, http://www.probuilds.net/resources/img/items/64/2044.png was removed from the game and now the only way to ward is either with item 3340, item 2049 or item 3711 .

Now my issue is that last game I played Amumu vs Shyvana and to prevent myself from being counter jungled I only had two viable options; buy item 2049 or keep item 3340 for at least until level 9, meaning that I had to sacrifice my item 3341 which in turn meant that I could barely clear any wards thus making my ganks ineffective. Where as before I would buy my sweeper and just buy http://www.probuilds.net/resources/img/items/64/2044.png as my means of vision, but with it removed I am more than just put behind since I have to choose between, getting killed in my jungle and ganking with a sweeper or having vision but no means to clear wards.

With counter junglers getting free wards with item 3711 it's a pretty hard life without http://www.probuilds.net/resources/img/items/64/2044.png and please don't even think about asking your team mates to help ward your jungle with their free trinkets :)

Edit: I know I can buy item 1409 myself , my issue is the fact that Riot is killing diversity by making you sacrifice having item 1401 item 1413 for 2 wards instead of just allowing everyone to buy wards individually. I don't want to be forced to getting a tracking knife if I know I secure kills a lot better with item 1401. Also I know I can swap from jungle item to jungle item before enchantments but once again it ends up forcing me to buy a item 2049 if want to ward anything.

14 Comments

Erockandroll2 votes

A heavier focus on pinks is necessary. Considering that it's now the same gold as stealth wards. And they help counter vision as well.

I might look at the predominant counter Junglers with the lack of vision in mind. If jungle clear is as bad as people say, I might fall back to playing Nunu.

IcyPepper2 votes

and please don't even think about asking your team mates to help ward your jungle with their free trinkets :)

Ugh, tell me about it.

One time, I had to resort to basically saying "defend jungle and prevent me from being counter jungled, or someone ain't getting ganks." They immediately hauled ass, but it's remarkable how they're so unwilling to help yet expect ganks.

RetroRage961 votes

Don't forget about item 2043 exists, but I see what you're saying.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

have you upgraded your blue trinket? its damn awesome

King Odin1 votes

That's 1 ward and doesn't actually do anything to help what I was talking about.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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That's 1 ward and doesn't actually do anything to help what I was talking about.

You can have a infinite number of them down

King Odin1 votes

Yes but I still have no way of clearing wards of any sort without raptor buff or a item 2043

2000boxes1 votes

wait that smite is for counter junglers? but it doesn't give any bonuses for smiting enemy camps anymore it just makes you hit monsters harder and gives you wards now it's just the smite you buy for vision I still won't get it on lee sin though because i already buy sightstone

Dreadlocks1 votes

So why not just get item 3711 youself?

King Odin1 votes

My issue is the fact that Riot is killing diversity by making you sacrifice having item 1401 item 1413 for 2 wards instead of just allowing everyone to buy wards individually. I don't want to be forced to getting tracking knife if I know I secure kills a lot better with chilling smite.

Dreadlocks1 votes

If you cant beat'em join'em.

ChaosThief1 votes

You can beat them, slowly but surely.

Gafugarion1 votes

I dislike the changes to jungle. Makes tanky jungles feel terrible early game, ugh.

IcyPepper1 votes

Is there any part of the game tanks are allowed to feel like their fantasy?

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