<<<<DQ VS SQ>>>>

War The Horseman·Jun 4, 2016·4 votes·888 views

Here we go now!

I'm not sure how much I can get away with but let me check (hopefully, I won't get banned):

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#You little whini... whimsy, disgus.... disguised, fuc..... fabulous, cun... cakes! #Can you please, please stop making SQ threads? I'm seriously getting sick of seeing them. Now! Now, before you downvote to hell let me say some things:

#Solo Que

We used to play as unorganized teams against unorganized teams 1-1-1-2 vs 1-1-1-2 or 1-1-1-1-1 vs 1-1-1-1-1.

Do you seriously and I mean **seriously ** believe this was better? I will tell you what was better - STOMPING THE CRAP OUT OF PEOPLE ON SNOWBALL CHAMPS. WIN LANE = WIN GAME!

You just had to pick a strong hyper carry, get an advantage in lane and then proceed to catch uncoordinated people out, all of them having no idea what they are trying to do:

no idea how to draft
no idea when their champions hit power spikes and are stronger than the opponent champion
no idea when to group, when to split push, when to just defend and weather the storm with wave clears.
no idea what to buy
no idea how to engage, or when
doing nothing besides pointless skirmishes and earning gold to buy items for more pointless skirmishes

Anyone who learned mechanically (lane phase) a strong dueling champion could literally do everything solo!

(I myself learned Akali and just by spamming blindly the same build destroyed the silver Elo and went to gold simply by learning to win lane matchups)

My ultimate goal in games was racking up kills and waiting for 30-40-50 minutes while farming out as much "CORE" items (Read damage as people bought nothing besides that) as possible to get that "Full yolo build" and then proceed to 1 or 2(some random fed guy from my team) vs 5 the entire enemy team who are 4 levels behind me because stragglers kept going in the jungle alone for a camp when a fed Akali was on the loose.

_** Let me tell you something - THIS IS NOT HOW LEAGUE WORKS! NOT ANYMORE! _**

The game has been evolving for 6 years and now all the roles have a massive strategic impact on the outcome!

Coordination in team fights(good focus),
Map awareness(good pings),
item builds(proper defensive itemization),
proper objective selection (shot calling),
controlling vision (in the correct areas for your next goal)

** ALL OF THESE ARE NOW JUST AS IMPORTANT AS MECHANICS! **

I am very sorry for you guys but people started watching Pro play. Riot did a good job at advertising worlds and LCS and got a big chunk of the players (even new ones) to watch it.

** Now even the newest players learn about how the DMG calculations work and build better items that WE the older dogs used to for as long as 2-3 years of playing.**

It personally took me 1 year and a few months to finally go and read how the game I have been playing **_ REALLY_ ** works.

After that I realised than I have been playing some twisted parody of League until then.

Needless to say, I started building better items and focusing objectives more often than chasing kills. Fighting for dragons, barons and towers and for the sake of fighthing.

I went from gold to plat on my main very quickly (less than a 100 games).
Because it was still not that widely spread common knowledge how to play League of Legends and not a braindead funny MOBA )

Hell, the Newbs today build better and make better choices than most of you arrogant bastards who haven't learned such stuff to this day!

Most of you on the boards have done it

(at least I hope that if you have time to complain about the game you had time to learn how it works)

but there are players that play from season 3 by blindly building the same items and trying to play the same game as 3 years ago.

(and they never get further than gold)

Sure, they win their lanes but will fail in everything else!

So, Newbs have a better understanding of LoL than you lot and **ALL **that before ever getting mechanically sound enough to win lanes and carry games! I have some friends (technically friends of my cousin) and while I and my cousin were high plat elo they were still gold 5 but guess what? We started playing together this season and me and my cousin taught them how to build when to fight when to defend - all the stuff that ultimately leads you to the Victory screen.

Now almost all of them are in Plat and me and my cousin are diamonds. They started winning more games, than losing even when playing without us!

_**

THE GAME GOT HARDER THIS SEASON THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN!

The meta shift with the new masteries was great!

It changed matchups tremendously.

Players are more aware of objectives and their value over kills!

People can now que together, learn from each other and most of all COORDINATE!

BY COORDINATE I mean they actually, try to** _BEAT YOU IN LEAGUE OF LEGENDS _**and NOT IN KDA!

I have only 1.6KDA on Akali but 60% WIN RATE. I wonder how is it possible...

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Psst... (whispers) t.e.a.m.w.o.r.k [slayer-jinx-catface]

I give me the choice between a friendly NEWB, who will listen to me and try to win with me, and then an arrogant MECHANICAL GOD, who wants to do his own thing and ignores me then when he gets dunked by ENEMY TEAMWORK blames ME OR DQ. I WOULD PICK THE NEWB ANY DAY _** #THE SHORT VERSION: Game got hard scrubs! Get gud or get lost! BUT don't make a bloody thread about leaving! I am sick of those as well and seriously NO ONE CARES!...

If you really hate the game so much but don't want to leave just yet because you spent money on Riot points then instead of whining simply try to sell your accounts behind their back. (Sorry, Riot, but I'm just giving them their options...)

_** #Now lets talk about the two ques and I will prove how Solo que was bullcrap and how much better the new one is! SOLO QUE - You get at least 3 random guys in your game!

** What that means:**

1 or more of the randoms is/are tilted or will easily tilt since none of the other players in the game are on their friend list => they don't care if they win or lose once they get in a sour mood!
Meanwhile, in DQ - if those random guys were actually a 3 man premade none of them would tilt too badly. Why? Because if they fricking lose it and decide to go **Tyler1 ** style down mid (feed or afk) their friends will block them instantly after that game! I for certain would report my friend and do everything in my ability to get their account banned for displaying that behavior when we que together.
Some of you will raise the argument that now all 3 of the premade will run it down mid or afk. THIS IS NOT NEW! ** I have seen it hundreds of times in my games back at season 5! Some people give up and well guess what? ** They don't climb! Sure getting 3 of them all at once is certain defeat but the chances to be matched with people like that are the same for everyone with or without dynamic que! ** One or two mad trolls/afk-s could lose the game as surely as weak/casual 3-4 premade!** Now you can avoid that scenario altogether by being with premades.
You will also raise the => "But they bully me, flame me.." etc. crap. Guess what? Mute exists! The 3-4 man premade are actually going to be insulting you on voice coms instead (as I and my friends are doing when we get a clueless player in our team) so you may even not see their flaming! Even better because they won't waste time typing and engaging you in chat battles and all of you will spend more time trying to win the game! The only times I flame or see flaming is when I solo que and get matched with other solos. This season I have 40% win rate when alone and 60% win rate when with premade. ** Why? **
- Because playing alone you care less
- you blame more ( if for every flame typed in chat you kill 1 minion you would probably have a bloody full build before the end of the game! )
- you draft worse! YES BITC.. BUNNIES! THIS IS THE ADVANTAGE RIGHT HERE! DYNAMIC QUE LETS YOU PICK TEAMMATES => ** You can find players that draft champions who work well with your main picks! **

I personally play a Fighter/Assassin Split push Akali. This is way stronger then the fabled Tank Akali but only if I have the proper team to support it!

If I que for a game and I get a jungler who like me can only play 2-3 things and none of those are a tank with CC then guess what? WE WILL LOSE!

If I que for a game and I get a Mid laner who plays only assassins with no CC or wave clear, then guess what? WE WILL LOSE!

If I que for a game and I get a ADC that needs peel and protection from 2 tanks cause he is immobile, then guess what? WE WILL LOSE!

If I que for a game and I get a Support that doesn't cover for what we are missing (engage or disengage), then guess what? WE WILL LOSE!

** Every single time I go Akali top without a premade team, I risk leaving the team without something essential to my win condition - The Split Push.**

Dynamic que fixed this for me. When the season started I had 20 people in my buddy list (probably less as I was a lone wolf. Had mostly junglers so they can help my lane in duo que or ADCs for when I supported)

Now I have near 100.

Am I really a friend with all of them?

No, I don't fricking know them and they don't know me, but we met on the rift and we liked each other's playstyles and behavior....

Then we simply traded buddy invites and what I did next was: _ ** Right click on the nick of this new Trundle jungler I liked playing with and added a note: " Good trundle jungle". ** _ I did that 50 times and now I get to pick my dream team draft. Every time I log on at least 40 people are online with at least 5 not in a game unless it's 3 in the fricking morning (then it's down to 10-20 with 2-3 people available to invite) so I get to play my style of League:

Tank jungler with CC,
Mage mid laner with wave clear and kite,
support with CC/Disengage,
ADC with kite and good range

These 4 guys are always doing stuff on bot when I'm on top and vise versa.

When we can truly win a team fight with low risk we group.

When I get destroyed by a better top laner I group with them and try to clean up in fights to get fat enough to outduel everyone on the enemy team and split push again.

I get to do a complicated split push strategy by picking the guys I play with instead of ending with disaster drafts.

** _ **League of legends is about adapting. **

#I will stop shouting now and give you some good advice.

If you listen to it League may become fun for you again.

If you follow the summoner code in your games you will win games. STOP! Don't go to the comments and keep reading!

What you need to do is simply request buddy add to all the good players who also followed the code and played well, instead of flaming and feeding and losing the game.

Congratulations now you can invite those people the next time you want to visit the rift!

You don't need friends to win games!

All you need is to be good, play to win and team up with other good players who play to win.

It's all about who gets the Nexus!

KDA, GOLD, Dragons those help winning but don't decide the end.

Never surrender!

I have had 0/8 team stats games with Akali being 0/4 that end in a Victory screen because no one wasted time flaming and instead focused on clawing their way back into the game.

After a game like that you can safely invite those people to your buddy list.

Seriously - just click that damn add buddy button every time you get a good game with someone it takes like what? 5 sec?

Now, everyone can be nice and friendly when winning a game but show their true colors when you guys lose.

Building your own army of good players to draft upon takes time but all good things take time.

If you invite someone as a friend after winning then the next que together he flames/feeds/leaves or does something else that loses you the game intentionally, then report and block him if he is just bad try to teach him but not by flaming.

Easy as that.

Eventually, you will seed out the people that are toxic and don't click with your playstyle. Then you don't play with them.

This will take a lot of games guys I won't lie to you. If you were a lone wolf you will have to earn your team by displaying good performance. Good players won't magically want to play with you unless you are good as well. You have to adapt and learn I mean_ really learn_ how to play League.

The reason que-ing solo is so toxic right now is because all the smart people are doing what I am doing.

They recruit teamates and win games, leaving you in the dust.

Literally all my games with me tilting where when I go solo in the middle of the night.

I play worse cause I am tired and can't snowball my lane, (or I am facing some brutal Akali counter or insanely good player and none of the 5 Builds I have for different situations can win)

Meanwhile, we have some crappy draft that has zero synergy and no win conditions.

Once Akali can't duel someone on the enemy team, Split push is not an option.

If your team can't 4vs3 them split push is also not an option.

If our draft sucks for teamfighting as well this leaves mid game tower sieges and a dangerous game of kite and poke, and now if the ADC has no range and mid lane no wave clear, and the support can't disengage then we are royally screwed...

Chances for victory go down to 10%

You can win games like that as well if you are a mechanical god, get it together and manage to heavily outplay the enemy (but they need to make mistakes) otherwise it's pretty much over.

That is when none premade just start flaming at each other, trying to find who to blame for the incoming defeat when we were all responsible for it by not drafting properly and losing lanes even on our main champions.

Congratulations Win chance is now 0.01% (enemy disconects)

League has always had the 30/40/30 Rule:

30% of the games the other 4 players will carry you like hell and even if you played badly you win
30% of the games the other 4 players will play so bad you won't be able to do anything to win
40% of the games YOU are the deciding factor! Win or lose it rests on what you did in the game.

(40/20/40 rule for supports, sorry dudes)

Now this season we can finally break that rule that was set in stone. Get better at the game find teamates and grow further with them.

You can reach more than 70% win rate if you get your dream team.

Just imagine that instead of crying for solo que where all we did was skirmishes and flaming.

You can still go on Normals and do the same crap - Fight endlessly instead of playing league.

Also the boards are here to help the players and by help I don't mean you whine until you get something. You can genuinely find friends (online ones) even if you guys never meet outside league.

What you guys do is go on team recruitment and post a thread:

Example

>TIitle I play Yi, looking for silver elo team

>body Yo silver scrubs I am the master! Join me on the rift and I can carry you hard to gold with me if you draft me tank top, mage mid, and engage support and adc. I sometimes flame a bit but I'm sure it's fairly mild and forgivable. We can skype or discord. If they ban my Yi i can go WW and you will work to carry me.....

and so on.

I am sure at least someone will reply and I would rather see thousands of threads like that flood the recent than a single one of those whiny "@Rito pls give SQ back DQ sucks, you bad quit job"

For me personally, winning against good teams feels way better than duking it out a thousand times against scrubs with scrubs until death timers get long enough that we actually finish a game after the skirmish.

My win rate is horrible this season and teamplay is a massive nerf to Akali.

I literally can't solo carry games anymore because of premades unless they are under plat.

(seriously carrying against a team on a squishy melee assassin and not 5 individuals you can catch seperately and dunk hard is near impossible on Akali who has no reliable escape)

However, I am happier with the game because I have my own team instead of 3 randoms/trolls and feeders.

I no longer need to solo carry. My team can help me with winning.

How surprising - Riot promotes teamwork in a 5man team game... Kappa

P.S.

Riot,

Dudes you need to add in-game voice coms so people don't really on 3rd parties.

Something not hard taxing on the internet so even people without two seperate internet providers with 5 star quality and a switch between them for when one goes down to go on the other can benefit from these things.

(recently did just that, no more internet drops and AFK-ing and throwing games. This my boys is dedication.) [slayer-jinx-wink]

10 Comments

CHEESYLEEKSJun 4, 20163 votes

tl;dr "im enjoying my free elo boost."

War The HorsemanJun 4, 20162 votes

Hi there mister whiner, unfortunately I stopped reading your SQ threads a few weeks ago. You know I was to busy being a winner and not a whiner [slayer-jinx-wink]

Malix FarwinJun 4, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=War The Horseman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E10QM0Hh,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-06-04T03:01:24.031+0000)

Hi there mister whiner, unfortunately I stopped reading your SQ threads a few weeks ago. You know I was to busy being a winner and not a whiner [slayer-jinx-wink]

getting carried you mean lol.

All jokes aside you do a terrible job at looking at both points of view and call anyone who disagree with you(including pro players at this point) "whiners". Heck your pole option is basically be "winners" or "whiners".

War The HorsemanJun 5, 20161 votes

For a good reason.

LoL is about adapting to the meta.

Solo que was about mechanical ability in lane carrying you to victory against uncoordinated teams.

Dynamic que is about knowing all aspects of the game and maximizing team work towards objective control so you win games.

Solo que didn't make you pro! It made you a good laner. All other aspects of the game were heavily diminished because there was zero trust between randomly matched 1-1-1-1-1 team and we never used to play the map correctly and just skirmish pointless fights.

Dynamic que makes you a good player. You play the entire League of legends packet and not just the Yolo lane one.

Sink or swim dude, but stop whining.

SirPurrrJun 4, 20163 votes

Issue is, 5s and solo, along with everything in between are different skills, as you said and yet they're all hobbled together into a unified ranking. That makes the ranking inaccurate for every mode. It's not even about which is better. Ranked has lost the very reason it's supposed to exist.

BTW: Nice objective poll options!

War The HorsemanJun 4, 20162 votes

Ranked is called dynamic que now bro.

Dynamic because it changed a lot. Dynamic because you need to adapt. They didn;t call it Penta Que didn't call it 4+1 que, nor 3+2 que nor Yolo(Solo) que. It's call dynamic because you need to adapt to win.

By adapt I mean learn how to actually play the full league of legends experience.

It is the right decision because Solo que was fundamentally different than ranked 5s.

Meanwhile, Riot is trying to turn League into a sport and get it through your thick skulls that Ranked 5s was the only real ranked mode. This is what pro players played.

Solo que existed for an entirely different reason: Yolo que was not ranked. It was simply learning laning phase and mechanics against increasingly difficult opponents as you won more games. There was next to zero teamplay in it and far more toxicity.

Dynamic que however offers you choices:

Que alone (Yolo que)- This is the hardest way to climb as you PURELY rely on luck and have minimal impact on the game as you need to try to match phase with your entire team without good communication or any trust between you. (Draft is horrible as well as you will have to cover any niche in a team composition and pick for what they are lacking or risk defeat if no snowball)
Que with a friend - this makes it easier but again you need to fill for what your team needs from your role and have no freedom of draft unpunished. Try to set the pace for your team playing together with your mate and pinging for others to join you but if they are doing something you need to go along with it. (Even a 5man bad call if the team has unity is usually better than a 3man bad call unfollowed by the other 2)
Que with 2 friends - even easier climbing. Only 2 randoms and they will hopefully follow you as you make up most of the team. Your premade gets to overall form most of the draft for your team. You can still adjust if the randoms are OTPs but you will influence the teamcomp more and draft towards your playstyle strengths. Your premade dictates the calls and the others need to follow.
Que with 3 friends - congratulations! You draft almost the entire team comp and get to play your main champions. The random has to adjust to you and listen to your calls if he wants to win. On the other side even if he is bad and refuses to teamplay if your premades are skillful enough you can still carry the game.
Que with 4 friends - True ranked test of League of Legends with no random factors. If you fck it up you have no excuse. You just had inferior skills, teamplay and/or got out drafted.

Adapting to it is what you need to do.

I am an OTP so I play with as many teamates as possible which Enables my preferred pick but matches me against coordinated opponents, however, I am happy with my team draft does and no one tilts! We all play to win and if we lose it's not a blame game but a reflection on what we can do better on the next que.

STOP PLAYING YOLO QUE! IT'S CALLED DYNAMIC NOW!

Rank no longer determines how well you lane, it's about how you play the game!

_** #Learn to play League of Legends and not League of Lanes.

SirPurrrJun 6, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=War The Horseman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E10QM0Hh,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-06-04T23:26:52.671+0000)

Ranked is called dynamic que now bro.

Dynamic because it changed a lot. Dynamic because you need to adapt. They didn;t call it Penta Que didn't call it 4+1 que, nor 3+2 que nor Yolo(Solo) que. It's call dynamic because you need to adapt to win.

By adapt I mean learn how to actually play the full league of legends experience.

It is the right decision because Solo que was fundamentally different than ranked 5s.

Meanwhile, Riot is trying to turn League into a sport and get it through your thick skulls that Ranked 5s was the only real ranked mode. This is what pro players played.

Solo que existed for an entirely different reason: Yolo que was not ranked. It was simply learning laning phase and mechanics against increasingly difficult opponents as you won more games. There was next to zero teamplay in it and far more toxicity.

Dynamic que however offers you choices:

Que alone (Yolo que)- This is the hardest way to climb as you PURELY rely on luck and have minimal impact on the game as you need to try to match phase with your entire team without good communication or any trust between you. (Draft is horrible as well as you will have to cover any niche in a team composition and pick for what they are lacking or risk defeat if no snowball)

Que with a friend - this makes it easier but again you need to fill for what your team needs from your role and have no freedom of draft unpunished. Try to set the pace for your team playing together with your mate and pinging for others to join you but if they are doing something you need to go along with it. (Even a 5man bad call if the team has unity is usually better than a 3man bad call unfollowed by the other 2)

Que with 2 friends - even easier climbing. Only 2 randoms and they will hopefully follow you as you make up most of the team. Your premade gets to overall form most of the draft for your team. You can still adjust if the randoms are OTPs but you will influence the teamcomp more and draft towards your playstyle strengths. Your premade dictates the calls and the others need to follow.

Que with 3 friends - congratulations! You draft almost the entire team comp and get to play your main champions. The random has to adjust to you and listen to your calls if he wants to win. On the other side even if he is bad and refuses to teamplay if your premades are skillful enough you can still carry the game.

Que with 4 friends - True ranked test of League of Legends with no random factors. If you fck it up you have no excuse. You just had inferior skills, teamplay and/or got out drafted.

Adapting to it is what you need to do.

I am an OTP so I play with as many teamates as possible which Enables my preferred pick but matches me against coordinated opponents, however, I am happy with my team draft does and no one tilts! We all play to win and if we lose it's not a blame game but a reflection on what we can do better on the next que.

STOP PLAYING YOLO QUE! IT'S CALLED DYNAMIC NOW!

Rank no longer determines how well you lane, it's about how you play the game!

_** #Learn to play League of Legends and not League of Lanes.

No, it just determines absolutely nothing now because climbing artificially with a bunch of others is a false comparison to someone playing solo and emphasizes different skills. Having different skills graded on the same ladder as if they're the same just proves the system has no logic behind it and is fundamentally busted. Ranked is meaningless now.

Sneakyy XDJun 4, 20163 votes

OP, what made you become such a horrible person that you enjoy others suffering simply because they do not enjoy the exact same things you enjoy? What made you such a a horrible person that you feel the need to actively make sure others have less fun, even though them having fun does not take away from you having fun? Especially when you know nothing about these people except that they prefer solo queue to dynamic queue

As someone who dabbles in psychology as a hobby, I'm genuinely curious.

War The HorsemanJun 5, 20161 votes

I am a horrible person for doing what I always wanted? Organising my split pushing team draft and winning games by mastering my favorite champion?

I find it very annoying that you people want to play a MOBA that stays the same.

MOBAs are fun because they change and League changed for the better.

You need to learn teamplay and objective control to win games. Even if you learn those you can't force the calls down random people you qued with because they simply won't listen to you. There was no trust in the 1-1-1-1-1.

Now players with some understanding of the game who follow the summoner code group together and coordinate their efforts to maximize their win chances in competitive play.

Playing alone is a luxury you can afford only once the toxic kids who break the summoner code demote to gold or lower (it will take a few months).

After that what you get in DQ will be Summoner code people with understanding of meta, objectives, mechanics and all aspects of the game being the High elo players and the toxic mechanical gods being stuck in the lower elo because winning lane doesn't win the game against a coordinated team.