I hate how Champions like Illaoi, Yorick, Zyra or Gangplank give the enemy free gold.

Phanron·Jun 12, 2017·5 votes·798 views

There is a thorn in my eye, when I play a champion that can spawn any sort of minion that can be killed. I hate how I am essentially giving my enemy free gold just by playing these champion. And there is nothing I can do to stop that.

I get why Riot puts a gold reward on player spawned objects: To incentivize desired gameplay patterns. Play a cat and mouse game around Gangplank's barrels and get rewarded 10 gold for being quicker. Zyra's plants can be annoying, but maybe if you and your partner team up against them you can bring them down quicker. Tibbers is your companion so you better dont let your friend die!

But what about Illaoi? Sure she has an incentive to protect her tentacles. But when playing against a ranged opponent your passive might as well read "Give your opponent 5g every 20 seconds". And you only have limited control over where your tentacles spawn.

What about Yorick? He can't get rid of his mistwalkers (anymore). And each one gives 5g. And unlike Tibbers he cant control the maiden so you know she will die to an enemy eventually.

And dont tell me those gold values are insignificant. It adds up! I counted how many times mistwalkers and maidens were killed by enemy champions in the first twenty minutes of a game and I counted 31 MW and 2 maidens. Thats 31x5g+2x50g=255g you give your opponent for free!

My point is that a player shouldn't be punished for something he has little control over and the enemy not rewarded for you merely existing.

11 Comments

SalronJun 12, 20172 votes

GP's isn't free gold though The others are units that the enemy can always last hit, the same can't be said for GP barrels that you can detonate yourself

PhanronJun 12, 20173 votes

I agree. I dont mind his barrels giving gold honestly as the gameplay pattern is exciting to play for both sides. I just thought it made a good example.

FireDrizzleJun 12, 20172 votes

Gangplank gets extra gold from cs so its only fair in his case. I should build cull vs these champs...

DarkRitualJun 12, 20173 votes

They don't count as CS anymore, so don't think Cull will gain extra effectiveness against them.

Warlord ScrapJun 12, 20171 votes

255 g at 20 mins is potions. You cant even buy an item. Illaoi is honestly the worst offender because you cant not spawn tentacles. Yorick and annie dont need to spawn their minions. And you can always force them into tower making no one get the gold.

SnakDatSmilesBakJun 12, 20171 votes

Your enemies have to be dead or brain dead to let yorick's minions crash into tower. No competent team will leave yorick alone near a tower.

TEA Nietzsche Jun 12, 20171 votes

@Yorick&Illaoi: It's about having fun and feeling rewarded. When you fight Yorick's pesky minions or Illaoi's tentacles after being hit by an E you are having a bad time. No matter how much you deserve it for being hit you spend several seconds on hitting minions while missing farm without not getting damage on Illaoi/Yorick - which feels extremely bad. That's why you get a little gold sign after hitting those pesky things so that you feel rewarded and thus not that bad.

SnakDatSmilesBakJun 12, 20172 votes

After killing yoricks minions he's useless until he gets more of them ready, which is gonna take at least another 15-20 seconds. I think that's enough of a trade-off.

The opponent doesn't need to get gold for dealing with such an important part of yoricks kit (he won't win a fight against any meta top laner without ghouls). It's like getting gold for dodging lux q or blitz hook.

TEA Nietzsche Jun 12, 20171 votes

What you say is completely beside the point, if Yorick is not strong enough he should be compensated elsewhere (although I don't think that he is too weak given how strong he is in low elo) - but this isn't about balance, it's about satisfactory gameplay. And Yorick's ghouls hurt and killing them doesn't really feel good because all you did is take several seconds and a lot of damage just to kill something without even hurting Yorick. Feelsbadman - and that feelsbad isn't really debatable, it just feels bad. So giving some gold (that still doesn't equal the gold missed in minions) to make it feel better is absolutely fine.