Katarina Main here

EvilRabbitt·Dec 24, 2014·2 votes·1,383 views

I have many mains, do not judge. I play lots of champs, but this is my number one pick for mid so I label it my "main". Anywho! I feel embarrassed when I play her since I wreck so hard because my opposing laner has no cc or uses it at inopportune moments. And my team never cares. And the enemy team forfeits. So I never finish games. And the 2 (3?) times I brought her into ranked, my team berated the bajeezus out of me. Should I just not touch her or something? I feel really lousy as a player when I pick her because everyone either super hates on me, or ignores my existence. =( I just wanna be appreciated in games and do well. But I can't have both for some reason =(. Thanks for reading this sob story, have a wonderful day. Love you all (unless you wish me dead like some toxic players out there, then I'm scared).

22 Comments

TabsDec 24, 20144 votes

Play for yourself, not others. Fuck em

EvilRabbittDec 24, 20141 votes

Thank you sir. I started adopting this mindset. Working on it more, I'm just hyper social. =)

TabsDec 24, 20141 votes

If you have trouble just keep trying Try your hardest to truly believe inthat mindset, and if you cant, then just fake it. Fake anything long enough and it will become real :) Happy Holidays

SookoDec 24, 20142 votes

{quoted}

Play for yourself, not others. Fuck em

I wish I could upvote this more

WonderlandsDec 24, 20142 votes

As a Kat main, please don't finish item 3136 . Just sell it once you need item slots. As for people being toxic, just let them, Katarina is fun as hell and you should be able to play whatever you damn want to.

ImHerVoiceDec 24, 20142 votes

the way you type makes you seem like you think you're actually good at the champion when you probably are good with the champion but have poor mechanics because you're relatively new to moba's

EvilRabbittDec 24, 20142 votes

I was actually really hyper. Glad to know it was noticeable XD. Hyper = not focused on coherency. Sorry bout that. And my mechanics are probably really poor. I'm a silver 4 scrub after all ^^. Not one of those Gold 1/ Diamond 5 pros.

ImHerVoiceDec 24, 20141 votes

that passive aggressive reply is amusing. ...anyway.. item 3020 item 1058 ( item 3108 or item 3191 ) item 1011 item 3089 item 3135 item 3116 this build will handle basically any match up. Sorc boots first is for dealing with getting ganked. ASsuming you play kat enough you'll realize that 1/2 ms quints is what you should be running. Personally.. I like 2 because I know I can utilize it to avoid alot of harass pre 9 but thats just personal preference. Basically 1 ms quint will put you around 355 ms at level 1(without boots) And obviously buying boots will put you above that Meaning you can easily control lane flow with your movement and safely Qing without taking skill shots. Assuming you're against anyone with wave clear you should be standing to left or right of minions on the side where your wards are. Don't stand behind creeps... It makes it easy for a wave clear to use mana to hit you and creeps. make them choose to waste mana or choose to farm(smart players will shove you to turret before level 3 and then harass the shit out of you for trying to cs as a melee vs ranged)

EvilRabbittDec 25, 20141 votes

If i came out passive aggressive, I do apologize with extreme sincerity. I am the happiest person I know, so I really hope never to offend you again. Forgive me =(?

Oh, and I have so much mpen because I just love mpen concepts being intermixed with bruiser damage (still debating Hourglass...seems counterproductive). Happy holidays! =D Whether its Hanukkah, Kwanza, or Christmas =D I hope you enjoy! (hope I didn't misspell anything)

Poptart EvelynnDec 24, 20142 votes

Fellow Kat main. Best words of advice.

Whose screen says Victory? Ours? FUCK YEA SO WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT THEY SAY. CHEER WITH ME. Faceroller for life!

The main reason I main Kat is because I enjoy the challenging lane phase and the high reward for indepth mechanics. Others will never see how mechanically intensive she can be simply because it happens so fast they don't see it. I can say with confidence. I fucking destroy Syndra as kat. Every game the enemy team just says noob mid she lost to a lane she counters.

Doesn't matter what they say. Enjoy the champion for how it's played.

My build is(which is the same as a lot of kat mains) item 1054 item 3136 (sell these later) item 3020 item 3128 item 3135 item 3157 item 3089 item 3026

EvilRabbittDec 24, 20141 votes

Oh and I think I build bruiser AP? Build below.

item 3259 item 3001 item 3151 item 3157 item 3128 item 3089

Kat HeadDec 24, 20142 votes

item 3151 = Brand or Singed.

item 3001 = Meh, falls off mid - late game.

item 3135 = MUST HAVE

If your team is making fun of you for building item 3151 on Kat, I kinda understand.

Why did they be little you ?

Why are they hating on you ?

People tend to discredit anything you do to make themselves feel better.

I would say do not play this game to find appreciation or the approval of your peers. What they think does not matter a whole lot. Play the champions you find fun or the champions that give your team the best chance to win the game. Play this game for you.

Cale017Dec 24, 20141 votes

Honestly, a Liandry's Torment isn't the worst idea although their are probably better ones. A lot of her damage comes in individual ticks, much like Velkoz, so she does well with spellpen. That being said I would stop at Haunting Guise and wait to build the rest of Liandry's, until later on. If you're dead set on using it, try and build up a Rylai's Crystal Scepter first! It gives a healthy chunk of AP, some health to help her out in fights, and the slow adds some much needed utility to her kit, even if it's only 15%. It'll also make her eventual Liandry's just that much more of a terror to tanks from it's double burn that'll proc from every spell you use. If you aren't planning on using a Rylai's though, then yeah I'd skip on the Liandry's. Perhaps build the Haunting Guise early on for the extra damage, get the rest of your build done, and sell it later on for something a bit more helpful.

Sorc Boots go without saying.

Rabadon's and DFG of course.

Zhonya's is a great option to get yourself out of trouble. I'm sure you already know how to hop in, deal your damage, and hit it to buy yourself some time for another quick combo afterwards. Pretty essential for most all in assassins.

I wouldn't bother with a Void Staff unless the enemy is stacking MR through the roof. Up to a certain point you're actually losing out on efficiency by spending gold on the Void Staff when some more reduction could be more effective. So a more accurate way of putting it might be to build an Abyssal if they aren't prioritizing heavy MR, and a Void if they are.

Perhaps, and this is just a pot shot, instead of a Liandry's consider building a Morellonomicon. It gives her much needed CDR and AP, and while the mana regen is largely lost on her it DOES give her that nifty grievous wounds passive effect on low health enemies.

Kuroi86Dec 24, 20141 votes

Kat is okay, but as you climb the ranks in ranked, you'll end up facing a number of people that know Kat' kit and how to wreck you. Kat is okay, but lacks some of the outplay potential of some high elo champs, thus many higher elo don't think her worth playing.

EvilRabbittDec 24, 20141 votes

Multi main issue on my part. Transitioning from Kat's win scenarios into Orianna (love the deny) for defensive/late game comps as well as Ahri (aggro + true damage) for snowballing my team up. I just want (said it somewhere I hope) a champion I can play and be noticed for skill and/or effort. =/ Kinda hard to find that in 4 skill button game sadly =(. Who should I pick? I own all assassins so far, doing marksman or support next.

DarthSpectrumDec 24, 20141 votes

Kat is a decent champion; however, you have to understand the sentiments of other people playing with or against you.

Since her kit only consist of point and click and auto target spells, she is very binary. There is literally only so much you can do with Katarina compared to the possible combos with Orianna.

As well, she only offers damage to a team, and only towards the end of a fight. Most other mids either bring utility or straight out erase someone before a team fight. She isn't useless, but you have to wait until your team is half dead before going in.

Lastly, the most "difficult" part of playing Katarina is getting her fed. The reality is that a fed Kat takes no skill to play, but an un-fed Kat needs to watch her CDs, her enemies' CDs, everyone's health bars, etc. in order to get kills and get fed.

All of this adds up to a hit or miss champion that can't do much when behind and will probably be denying kill gold to teammates who need it first. Again, she is a decent champion, but when options such as Zed or Orianna exist there isn't that much of a reason to pick her.

EvilRabbittDec 24, 20141 votes

Fair enough. I just got kinda upset cuz I started baiting people and their CC (poor blitz) then erasing people all over the map before the forfeit, yet my team ignored me (minus the Yas that hated me for whatever reason) and the enemy team kept saying "saw it coming" or "kat fed". No appreciation, even when I beat a malphite from 100-0 with only 200 hp and a 1 lvl advantage >

DarthSpectrumDec 24, 20141 votes

As I mentioned before, beating that Malphite is with Kat would be moreso a stat check then actual skill since everything is guaranteed to land. (Unless you kitted him half way across the rift until he died).

One level is a lot of stats now due to the new and "improved" leveling system so the stat distribution per level is more back loaded. As well, Shunpo gives 35% damage resistance on top of what you currently have. That is equivalent to around 50 to 100 more Armor/MR.

That is not to say that Kat is inferior to other champions mechanical-wise. When it comes down to it, Annie is also point and click, so is Talon, and so are every ADCs. The only reason Kat is so much more obvious is because she can blow up people in less than half a second. I'd say you should pay the people who dis-appreciate Kat no regard, most champions in League are probably easier to play, just not as much damage.

Cale017Dec 24, 20141 votes

In ranked she can be shut down easily enough because people who are playing ranked will generally be more serious about what they're doing and use a bit more critical thinking and judgements than you'll find in normals... usually. At least as long as you aren't like me and stuck with an abysmal MMR and are sticking to unranked because it honestly seems better than Bronze... but that's a rant for another day.

Katarina, to my experience, seems like she's in about the same tier as a Yi or a Warwick. There's no denying her exceptional skill at what she does... but there's also no denying that she's almost horrifically easy to shut down, and that she doesn't actually take a whole lot of skill to do well with so if you're winning it doesn't look as much like your skill as it does the strength of the champion. And let's be honest, Q E W R for a triple isn't terribly difficult to do given how fast she'll eat away squishies. Yes she can be shut down easy, yes she can be eliminated quickly in a fight, but that doesn't change that she only needs a moment or two to eliminate any and all resistance in a way that can seem a BIT unfair given how ridiculously easy she can be to play.

People shouldn't be hating on you, but I would encourage you to branch out and play other champions! Ones who perhaps don't have the sheer damage and multikill potential but can be so much more in a team oriented focus, like Orianna or Ahri. I have that same issue with Veigar: I will very rarely ever go less than massively positive, and I'm good enough with him that my team usually ends up praising me for my ability to land clutch stuns on top of someone instead of barely missing it, saving lives, and nuking enemies so hard that it's almost sad. In most cases my enemies will usually join in because, let's face it, being blown up by two feet of yordle terror is hilarious even if you're the one being blown up.

But I would think twice before trying to take him into ranked because while it's easy for me to do well with him, he's VERY easy to shut down for anyone with enough brain cells to understand his weaknesses and keep him from being fed, or getting early stacks on his Q. He's probably one of my favorite champs to play, I always have a blast, but I understand what he does, why, and how others might be better for a team composition.

Try using a bit more critical thinking. Sure it's important to have fun while playing, but remember that Ranked is a competitive environment. Fun is a priority, but anyone playing ranked is also prioritizing strategy and smart playing. Katarina can be strong, but she can be just as weak, so she isn't a particularly smart choice in some cases. She brings no utility to a teamfight, has no way to save allies, and does nothing for a team aside from adding an insane amount of damage when, in all reality, she actually has too much damage. I'd rather take someone with a bit less damage and a bit more utility, because I know that with five people all working together in fights there's more than enough damage to kill anyone we need to.

I hope this sheds some light on it for you!

EvilRabbittDec 24, 20142 votes

=D very helpful. Glad you read my post for Ori and Ahri. Trying Cass right now, seeing if I can make it work or not. I agree on Veigar. I just stopped him because of Fizz and Zed being on the rise. =/ No fun after that. It does. The last paragraph reminds of me of a stupid wombo combo I wished I'd pulled in ranked instead of team builder. Ults alone just look at this lineup. Had no real utility/ success. But in teamfights, pure wreck. Anywho, thanks for the tips. Gonna pm you if I can, if not will post again.

Zyra Orianna Malphite Amumu Yasuo

Cale017Dec 24, 20141 votes

I really wouldn't suggest Cass right now. She's still very much a late game powerhouse, but getting to that point isn't very easy with her recent rework. Stashu is definitely trying, but he's a little lost at the moment.

Chamions like Fizz and Zed are actually quite easy to shut down if you're careful about it. With Fizz, try and find out if he's aggressive, trying to get early kills, or passive, and is more focused on farming and racing you to level 6. If he's the former, punish him by predicting his Es and Qs, make him waste mana, and let him push your wave until you're farming under your turret and he can't dive you without risking being stuck in the CC you should have against a Fizz, or making himself open to ganks from your jungler without the mana to get away. His trollpoll is VERY expensive and he can only Q through one of you to get distance. If he's the latter sort, PERFECT! It means that your own laning phase should be relatively safe. As he starts getting closer to six, start suggesting to your jungler that he stay nearby just in case. Save your mobility options and your CC for when he starts diving. Don't blow anything until he's using his trollpoll, as that's his main method of getting into and out of fights. After the laning phase is over, if he has a Lich Bane do NOT 1v1 him. That's exactly what he wants. Keep your distance, try and keep vision, and make sure you're warning your laners, usually bottom lane, ANY time he's not on your screen. He's a slippery little bastard and he loves to R E Q into a bottom lane trade to pick up a double kill

With Zed, his Qs are actually ridiculously easy to juke. If you see that he's being heavily aggressive, stay on the move. Don't move in any patterned way, and watch him more than you watch yourself. The wind up animation for his Q is pretty distinctive. When you see him cast his shadow, stay very far away from it. It'll really hurt early on. Zed is a very position heavy champion, and he's going to try and force you from lane by building a vamp scepter or taking life steal runes more than likely, so focus more on survival than necessarily winning. If he can't force you from lane he also can't roam. Building a Zhonya's Hourglass as a first item can be incredibly potent, as it eliminates the bonus damage he accumulates from his ult, and if he hits you with his ult try and Zhonya's under your turret so when he shadows onto you he's forced to take at least one shot... several if you hit him with CC while he's under it. Assassins might seem hard to deal with, and that's because they are... if you aren't cautious. They're built to punish players for making small mistakes in their positioning or skill usage. Turn it on them and instead force them to make mistakes of their own, and they lose much of their ability to get out of sticky situations.

I'm not actually online right now, it was a hell of a day at work and I'm not too much for playing when my back is giving me issues (sucks to be getting old at 22), but I'm glad I was of some help.

And yeah, I can see how that'd be a wombo combo. Lotta knockups, stuns, snares, and roots there. Malphite/Yasuo is bad enough as it is.

Also, just as a side tip, try and avoid Yasuo. He suffers from the same issues that Katarina and Yi do. A lot of damage output, very high mobility to dodge things, but very easy to shut down... even if he's a bit easier to keep that from happening than either of the other two. I actually have a pretty strong bias against Yasuo's and Yi's lol. It might sound salty but I'll usually auto report either that I see for being unskilled after a match is over purely from picking champions like those.

AbyssphereDec 24, 20141 votes

I'm not too surprised you get treated like that. Honestly I kinda feel bad for assassin mains, nobody ever really appreciates them. People expect assassins to carry. If you end up with 30 kills as a Katarina to 10 deaths then people don't find it anything special while they're worshipping any other person on the team for the same number. An assassin going 12/10 makes someone think "meh assassin kinda disappointing" and an assassin with a negative KDA is "omg feeder".

In fairness, an assassin doesn't really do anything bar kill people so you kinda do need to get a higher KDA to show your contribution, but I definitely do think there's a lot more pressure on assassins to do well and very little reward when they do.