With all these changes to assassins and Dfg removal...

Khimera·Jan 28, 2015·2 votes·825 views

Do you guys think there will be any mid laners that rise up due to the widespread changes? One of the champs I was thinking of may be Ziggs

26 Comments

Pika310Jan 28, 20154 votes

Well, #LC$BigPlays Zed doesn't care about DFG, so he's going to remain the uncontested #1 mid-laner. Especially since Riot refused a proper nerf to him.

After that: Xerath, Azir and Orianna are unaffected, so there's no room for Ziggs. Even then, most players I've heard say even Lux is better than Ziggs now too. At the very least I'll say this much: Ziggs is stronger than Ahri now.

LJ2w1GhbNHJan 28, 20151 votes

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Well, #LC$BigPlays Zed doesn't care about DFG, so he's going to remain the uncontested #1 mid-laner. Especially since Riot refused a proper nerf to him.

After that: Xerath, Azir and Orianna are unaffected, so there's no room for Ziggs. Even then, most players I've heard say even Lux is better than Ziggs now too. At the very least I'll say this much: Ziggs is stronger than Ahri now.

Ziggs wont be stronger than ahri imo because of the buff to Ahris R.

Pika310Jan 28, 20154 votes

because of the buff to Ahris R.

You haven't even bothered reading the patch notes yet. Ahri got nerfed severely and her R was left nearly untouched.

I'd suggest you go read the patch notes ASAP before making yourself look even more foolish.

KhimeraJan 28, 20151 votes

Well yeah pros will always pull off amazing Zed plays but the average league player typically won't pull off half those plays. And I read the patch notes and I wouldn't say Ahri was severely nerfed at all. They may have reduced her damage amp but her w's base damage got buffed and her q move speed buff is pretty substantial to even more kiting and chasing.

Sidenote: With the athenes nerfs a few patches ago and how slippery a lot of these new champs are (i.e. Kalista, Rek'Sai, Gnar) along with other examples have pushed Orianna out of favor in my eyes unless she has comps to help her.

LanofroseJan 28, 20152 votes

Her W got nerfed her base damage went up by 4 damage but she lost 20% scaling AP this is a nerf to her kit minus the Q speed boost

KhimeraJan 28, 20151 votes

Her w was buffed as was her e's base damage and scaling to compensate for the lack of damage amp. And her base damage didn't go up by 4, not sure where you read this.

LanofroseJan 28, 20152 votes

Old Live W Base [{140+60%}=224+20%=269] and ratio [{40%AP+60%}=64%AP+20%=76.8%AP] New W Base [170+60%=272] and ratio [64%AP]

so 3 damage for the loss of 20% ratio seems legit

also here is the overall stats

Old Live: Base [1325] Ratio [303.8%AP] New: Base[1202] Ratio [274%AP] as well as losing DFG so they nerfed her to compensate for DFG removal the logic kills me

(she moves real real fast with Q tho w00t YAY! WOOHOO) so now if you can point me in the direction of those buffs to Ahri plz be my guest.

KhimeraJan 28, 20152 votes

Hmm wow interesting, if you don't mind my asking, where did you get this from?

Pika310Jan 28, 20151 votes

It's just 2nd-grade math. You can pull the numbers from the Wikia.

Calculating Sona's 32+ nerfs takes way more time and basic Algebra.

KhimeraJan 28, 20151 votes

Never asked about the math(not difficult), just wanted to know source, thanks.

Malix FarwinJan 28, 20152 votes

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Never asked about the math(not difficult), just wanted to know source, thanks.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-52-notes

the official website... did you even try to look?

KhimeraJan 28, 20151 votes

Alright the stats Lanofrose put up are not in the patch notes, did you even try to look?

LanofroseJan 28, 20152 votes

The Math of her full kit breakdown, I made a thread that ran all the numbers awhile back ill attach the document of it to the post mostly focus on the first two since the other were just showing number to compare her to if they change her a bit.

(Edit: view in full screen or it will jumble the numbers)

Malix FarwinJan 28, 20152 votes

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Well yeah pros will always pull off amazing Zed plays but the average league player typically won't pull off half those plays. And I read the patch notes and I wouldn't say Ahri was severely nerfed at all. They may have reduced her damage amp but her w's base damage got buffed and her q move speed buff is pretty substantial to even more kiting and chasing.

They nerfed other assassins to the point that even an average zed would do better then other assassins. Zed just takes time to learn. if anyone really like assassins before this patch it would take them a week at most to learn zed well enough to snowball and win ez.

SpongebobIsLifeJan 28, 20151 votes

you wont see orianna that much actually. she has huge mana issues, and azir is getting nerfed in 5.3. So i'd imagine, Xerath, Zed, Ahri, Kassadin, Azir still might b good after nerfs, and I'm not really sure about anyone else. I for one think Vel koz, Brand, and Viktor are really strong mid laners now bc they have a really good mana pool and/or low mana costs. But I don't think they will see the light of day in the LCS.

hisPetMunkeyJan 28, 20152 votes

I main Vel'Koz, and I agree that he won't see light of day in LCS. If zed were banned, vel would have some spotlights though imo

Malix FarwinJan 28, 20151 votes

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I main Vel'Koz, and I agree that he won't see light of day in LCS. If zed were banned, vel would have some spotlights though imo

I actually zed no reason why he wouldn't be kassadin leveled banned at the momment. All ap assassins got hit hard with nerfs on top of the removal of DFG. Not to mention there are much better ways MR items to build against AP champs like Banshee's veil and hex drinker for example that puts up a shield on top of giving flat MR. Riot just hates AP champs atm and love AD ones(especially ADCs). AP champ want to stop an AD one on the other hand, your options are severely limited.

RedTrinketGoneHaJan 28, 20152 votes

Nah, I'll still tear Ziggs' Ahole up with my Leblanc

Raja ChachkiJan 28, 20151 votes

too bad u can't when he's bombing u from a mile away and mocking u because you don't have DFG ;)

KhimeraJan 28, 20151 votes

LOOK OUT BELOW! Ziggs Ziggs Ziggs

OrangesilkJan 28, 20152 votes

Ziggs has always been more or less "assassin-safe" since he pokes and clears from a mile away and has an escape.

People who are naturally afraid of assassins like Jayce Kayle Lux TwistedFate Velkoz Veigar Viktor Zyra will see much more play after this patch.

hisPetMunkeyJan 28, 20151 votes

I wouldn't say ziggs > ahri after 5.2.... the 20% increase when charmed is a huge difference don't get me wrong, but at level 1 charm, the increase damage was only for 1 second and only from Ahri. And i dont know about you, but charm was not the first skill I would max. So the 1 second damage increase is no too detrimental considering her other abilities have been given nice increases in damage/time.

Now DFG no longer being in the Ahri arsenal on the other hand....that definitely sucks.

Pika310Jan 28, 20153 votes

The increased damage from Charm was for 6 seconds, regardless of rank. You're making it apparent you've never played as or against Ahri, since you have zero understanding of her kit.

Please only comment on things you have knowledge of. I don't go around posting on every Shaco post, I've never played the champ.

KhimeraJan 28, 20152 votes

^^^^^^^^

hisPetMunkeyJan 28, 20151 votes

Ah you're right. I was only thinking about time charmed. That was my bad. so I change my thoughts a bit....lol

The charm nerf definitely hurts. On the bright side, her q and w become more effective...not that they compensate enough for the nerd imo