Riot Your Ranked Matchmaking is Garbage

HeirofGoku·Feb 7, 2019·94 votes·18,913 views

Stop matching me against silver 3s when im in low bronze and iron. I dont enjoy getting completely rekt by people who are clearly better than me and most my teammates.

IF SOMEONE IS A BRONZE 4 MATCH THEM AGAINST BRONZE 4s. [sg-ahri-1] And no excuse of "well their skill level was that of a b4". Then why are they in silver 3 fighting b4s? they should be fighting silver 3s and if they lose to them move down until they are at b4 fighting b4s. If you claim my skill level is silver 3 then have me fight bronze 4s and so on until i get to that elo where my supposed skill level is. The way it is now is completely stupid and broken.

Ranked should match you with and against people of the same division and tier or at least 1 tier off like b4 and b3 in the same game. Not an entire division! [slayer-jinx-unamused]

32 Comments

VvVVvVFeb 7, 201927 votes

Could only upvote once FeelsBadMan

ExxonVFeb 7, 20199 votes

And also stop giving me low win rate silver supports when im a high win rate gold 2. Da fuq.

MorgManBasherFeb 7, 20198 votes

Personally fine with having a little range. Like my smurf right now is Plat 4 and I am fine if it matches me with like...Gold 1-3 and Plat 4-2....

BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.... please stop putting Silver 1 players in my games, they do NOT belong in my plat games.

Papdi1Feb 7, 20197 votes

Glad I quited this garbage (lol) months ago. Seems nothing has changed

MârtyFeb 7, 20194 votes

Keep in mind that you aren't matched based on your rank, you're match based on your hidden MMR. Your MMR sometimes isn't directly in line with your visible rank, which is what causes disproportionate LP gains/losses (Ex. +25 LP for a win, -12 LP for a loss).

Just keep playing for a while and your rank and matchmaking will even out as the season progresses.

No flash no lifeFeb 7, 201917 votes

[{quoted}](name=Janna Mechanics,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BNRcAiLO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-07T05:31:54.782+0000)

Keep in mind that you aren't matched based on your rank, you're match based on your hidden MMR. Your MMR sometimes isn't directly in line with your visible rank, which is what causes disproportionate LP gains/losses (Ex. +25 LP for a win, -12 LP for a loss).

Just keep playing for a while and your rank and matchmaking will even out as the season progresses.

I believe his point is that it shouldn't. It makes no sense to match based on mmr. mmr should be used to determine how fast a player climbs or drops after a win or loss, but shouldn't be used to determine the matchmaking. It makes a LOT more sense to match the teams based on their ranks.

HeraimishFeb 7, 20193 votes

Ranks change much slower than MMR (promotion series, demotion shields etc). MMR is much more effective to create statistically fair matches.

SaevumFeb 10, 20191 votes

on the long run.

LeetriFeb 7, 20192 votes

Games would be a lot more unbalanced if they based on rank and not MMR. There's a reason every single matchmade ranked game ever uses MMR or a variant of it. The only exception I can think of is Hearthstone and in that game you can legit be a brand new player and end up against players who have reached Legend years in a row.

No flash no lifeFeb 7, 20193 votes

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Games would be a lot more unbalanced if they based on rank and not MMR. There's a reason every single matchmade ranked game ever uses MMR or a variant of it.

I just need a bit more elaboration to understand the logic behind using mmr.

The way I see it, if I use their ranks and put, say, a silver3 against another silver3 and the teams are one-sidedly unbalanced because of player skill discrepancy, the winner climbs to silver2 where he wins as often as he loses and stays there, while loser drops to silver4 where he loses as often as he wins and stays there.

If I use mmr though, I can end up with a new player, given a starting mmr value, against a plat opponent who didn't gain too much mmr value in the process of climbing because his opponents had lower mmr than he did. I myself last year faced a Diamond V junglar opponent as a silver III top lane. Same rank mode, flex, I queue'd alone, and none of my teammates were above gold.

Perhaps there's something I'm not understanding about how the system works, and my examples may not accurately represent how well the current system works, but I just need someone to point that out for me because I really don't get it.

And I'm fine with the idea of using mmr to match the games, but I feel like it needs some serious improvement. If a silver 3 can be placed against a diamond 5 opponent (5th divisions no longer exist but nevertheless), then at the very least there is something very wrong with the gain and loss of mmr values respective to the lp gain and loss.

P.S. I admit I'm biased against mmr matchmaking. I can't help it. Back in seasons 3&4, people in the same game won't be more than 1 league apart and the only mismatch scenario would be the presence of smurf. We wouldn't have silvers and plats who were genuinely striving to climb being put in the same game. Now, it happens on hourly basis, and it's not healthy.

hotarseFeb 7, 20197 votes

[{quoted}](name=Janna Mechanics,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BNRcAiLO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-07T05:31:54.782+0000)

Keep in mind that you aren't matched based on your rank, you're match based on your hidden MMR. Your MMR sometimes isn't directly in line with your visible rank, which is what causes disproportionate LP gains/losses (Ex. +25 LP for a win, -12 LP for a loss).

Just keep playing for a while and your rank and matchmaking will even out as the season progresses.

What's the point of having two systems then? Why don't you just have one system so that it is intuitive and you don't end up with shitty situation like the OP is talking about.

OneriosFeb 7, 20192 votes

People don't read mmr systems correctly, treating them as an exact measure of skill rather then the players skill being within a standard deviation (or there about) of their mmr. Toxicity ensues, especially around boundaries for gold/plat/diamond.

The rank/brackets system we have now was riot's way of getting round that, hiding the exact mmr and showing instead a slightly fudged, stickier value, that will still give a good approximation of your mmr over the course of a season. Not perfect, but an improvement over the previous setup.

hotarseFeb 8, 20191 votes

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People don't read mmr systems correctly, treating them as an exact measure of skill rather then the players skill being within a standard deviation (or there about) of their mmr. Toxicity ensues, especially around boundaries for gold/plat/diamond.

The rank/brackets system we have now was riot's way of getting round that, hiding the exact mmr and showing instead a slightly fudged, stickier value, that will still give a good approximation of your mmr over the course of a season. Not perfect, but an improvement over the previous setup.

Seems like if the problem was people reading mmr systems incorrectly due to deviation, that the second bracket system only made this worse.

But we all know that wasn't a problem at all. Riot doesn't want even, close games because those types of games aren't addictive. They are satisfying and they satiate desire. Whereas fast, stompy games seem to have a certain addictive quality to them. So, whenever they can, Riot are going to make match-making less less accurate.

If they really cared about providing a fair and fun matchmaking system for their players, they would remove hidden mmr, remove duo q from solo q, and simplify the criteria for the matchmaking to a simple win/loss system.

MorgManBasherFeb 7, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=Janna Mechanics,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BNRcAiLO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-07T05:31:54.782+0000)

Keep in mind that you aren't matched based on your rank, you're match based on your hidden MMR. Your MMR sometimes isn't directly in line with your visible rank, which is what causes disproportionate LP gains/losses (Ex. +25 LP for a win, -12 LP for a loss).

Just keep playing for a while and your rank and matchmaking will even out as the season progresses.

This shit can't even remotely be true right now, I had a silver 1 in my plat games...he was gold last season and has a negative winrate, there is no way he should be placed there.

Like, every single game is a huge mess is rankings it's actually embarassing. Just had a game where me on my plat smurf and a random Diamond Draven were placed against 2 gold 4 bot lane duo. Like, why on earth would you put those 2 against us?

Plat HardstuckXDFeb 7, 20192 votes

Totally good reasoning to have a bronze 3 player going against low golds and high silver players cause they went on a lucky winning streak or the golds are on a loaing streak. Nevermind the fact that they're low ranked for a reason.

Düff McWhalenFeb 7, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Janna Mechanics,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BNRcAiLO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-07T05:31:54.782+0000)

Keep in mind that you aren't matched based on your rank, you're match based on your hidden MMR. Your MMR sometimes isn't directly in line with your visible rank, which is what causes disproportionate LP gains/losses (Ex. +25 LP for a win, -12 LP for a loss).

Just keep playing for a while and your rank and matchmaking will even out as the season progresses.

While this may be true, I am so sick of this convoluted bullshit.

HeraimishFeb 7, 20193 votes

If you're getting matched with silver players, it means you have silver MMR. If your MMR is too high it will naturally lower if you play more games and if it's correct, you will naturally climb to silver.

No flash no lifeFeb 7, 20194 votes

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If you're getting matched with silver players, it means you have silver MMR. If your MMR is too high it will naturally lower if you play more games and if it's correct, you will naturally climb to silver.

You could be right, maybe the OP does have too high of a mmr value. I do want to present another possibility though.

Perhaps the OP does have low bronze/iron mmr, and he is in the rank he belongs, but silver players with silver level skills yet low bronze mmr show up in his game and made it miserable for everyone else. Happened to me, happened to many others complaining on forum, and this could very well be the case for OP as well.

So here we are, in the rank and mmr we belong, but we're going to get stomped on anyway because other high league players' inaccurately low mmr values are still in the process of adjustment?

HeraimishFeb 7, 20191 votes

Well that's the main issue, you occationally end up with a player in your team whose MMR is incorrect. Nothing that can really be done about that.

No flash no lifeFeb 7, 20192 votes

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Well that's the main issue, you occationally end up with a player in your team whose MMR is incorrect. Nothing that can really be done about that.

Absolutely. The problem is that it happens more than occasionally. ~~For some of us - for me - it's 9 out of 10 games on average, and I've been completely discouraged to queue up for another game after having similar experience 3 games in a row.~~

K I exaggerated it's not that often, but it's true it happens a bit too often to be neglected in my opinion.

HeraimishFeb 8, 20191 votes

I think RIot should look at how many games you have played in a queue. So if you are new in ranked, it places you against other new players and only after a while you get placed against experieced players. The only issue with that is going to be smurfs, but smurfs basically ruin the match making system anyway.

SaiannaFeb 7, 20193 votes

Stop matching me against silver 3s when im in low bronze and iron. I dont enjoy getting completely rekt by people who are clearly better than me and most my teammates.

Back in the days when you could have still argued with people on those forums without getting banned, the common argument was: "keks, you can learn from them and play better xdxddxxddd"

AstrovertFeb 7, 20193 votes

Being placed with others that are far away from your ranking could be a sign that the games population has taken a stark decrease and making you actually wait for people in your elo would take way too long to be possible. Don't take every sign of stupidity as stupidity, there just might not be enough people to go around anymore.

hoshizukuFeb 7, 20191 votes

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Being placed with others that are far away from your ranking could be a sign that the games population has taken a stark decrease and making you actually wait for people in your elo would take way too long to be possible. Don't take every sign of stupidity as stupidity, there just might not be enough people to go around anymore.

I think this is the correct answer. There's far less people playing.

RysophageFeb 7, 20192 votes

This is what happens when you use a single player ranked system (The elo system, originally created for Chess) in a team based game and progress is only based on win loss and not actual performance :D

DiE2MucHFeb 10, 20192 votes

The matchmaking is utterly garbage. enough said

KivolanFeb 7, 20191 votes

It only gets worse the higher you climb.

It's because barely anyone plays this game anymore.

l3urstyMay 3, 20191 votes

The exact same opinion ! I have also complained about this system for a long time. The vertical range of the opponent should be within 1-2 Division. Now, why do I have to beat gold to get from silver 4 to 3? ... MMR and the rank should be matched. If a riot thinks that MMR is worthy of skill, shouldn't a player with a gold equivalent of mmr be given a victorious skin at the end of the season, even if the rank is bronze or silver? This opinion sounds right, but if the riot is against it, it just seems that the riot wanna protecting the duo boost... For example, a gold player pulls up a silver friend. Duo should originally go up with friends of the same ability. If it is within 1-2 divisions, Smurfs can not exploit duo any more, and I think it is a good thing, but why is riot not doing this?

Only this. I'm Silver 4, so I want to fight people in the same Silver 3-4 frames...

AK Mr BlondeSep 14, 20191 votes

I completely agree. I am so pissed off about this ranking system.

Im iron I and stuck in iron because of this shit. My last match i played for my promos i was matched up with a gold IV, dead serious. Normally I’m matched against silvers. I never get to play against other irons

If riot thinks I'm good enough to play against silvers then make me silver ranked. If I'm iron put me against friggin irons. This is ridiculous.