Currently, the only two items that give 15% CDR are 
and (potentially) 
. If you buy a 20% CDR item, you sit at 25% with the CDR mastery, so you cant reach 40% except by sacrificing your MPen or buying a risky snowball item. It would be really nice to have another item with 15% CDR on it so that you can reach the cap while also being able to get the 5% from masteries.
Ionian25 votesscaling cdr blues = 15%. morello+runes+masteries = 40%. that's how i always do it
Stiv12345 votesYeah, but as Nomi Malone already pointed out, you usually need the MR against most matchups in the mid lane.
WoonStruck2 votes[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B76Ehu5n,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-17T16:18:32.655+0000)
I bring this page mid all the time and generally dominate.
You don't need the MR if you know how to play the lane/match-up. Its not just spamming spells, hoping you hit and don't get hit.
Ionian2 votesThat page is way more situational. Movespeed does not help you at all against champion with mostly targeted damage such as 
etc.
Flat cdr is also bad for champions with big mana problems early (like Ahri) because they just don't have the mana pool to spam spells.
My blind pick mid page is just mpen, ap, hp/lvl, cdr/lvl
Voluug132 votesIt actually helps against Cass. If she misses her Q/W, her E machinegun is useless.
Madra1 votesIt actually helps against Cass. If she misses her Q/W, her E machinegun is useless.
It helps a little, but it's largely relative. Early game, the MS runes give a slight edge but only one Q needs to land and she's overcome the deficit. Since Cass gets inherent CDR, she can easily afford to run MS quints herself.
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Downfall1 votes
here i come
iainB851 votesGood except scaling health / level > flat health.
youngjake931 votesYeah, but as Nomi Malone already pointed out, you usually need the MR against most matchups in the mid lane.
I'm pretty sure cdr blues are more cost efficient than mr blues. So you can just buy a null mantle with the money you saved on CDR.
Chuck Charles1 votesthis...this is like your go to on a champ who needs max cdr. i always run scaling cdr blues as they are incredibly efficient. combine that with masteries and you can go athenes, morello, nashors for your 20% cdr.
Smefanye5 votesI agree, right now the only other way to get 15% is from scaling cdr blues, which you may not take depending on your opponents (remember kids, never walk into lane against a LeBlanc without magic resist in your runes), and since a lot of people take the 5% from masteries it would be nice to get an even 40%.
MasterVidallis4 votesThere is a big itemization gap in this game for CDR AP items. The only two options are both mana regen items, which means they can't efficiently be bought by champs that either don't need the mana or have another mana item like ROA.
Stiv12345 votesWell, thats another matter. Champions that are manaless should never have easy access to CDR, just like AD champs have no easy access to mana sustain (why would you pick an AP champ over an AD champ then?).
Dar Raksada1 votesWell, thats another matter. Champions that are manaless should never have easy access to CDR, just like AD champs have no easy access to mana sustain (why would you pick an AP champ over an AD champ then?).
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kDrakari1 votesNeither of those really counts as "easy access" in my opinion. Essence Reaver is trash-tier and the mana regen it gives isn't even really that good. Manamune gives a huge power trough when you buy tear first item, and not every champion can stack it easily.
Dar Raksada1 votesNeither of those really counts as "easy access" in my opinion. Essence Reaver is trash-tier and the mana regen it gives isn't even really that good. Manamune gives a huge power trough when you buy tear first item, and not every champion can stack it easily.
Tear usually fixes mana issues and is easily accesible. most mages end up losing power due to not buying ap if they want mana early on.
Photos of Ghosts1 votes
WoonStruck3 votesYeah, there's a little concept known as "trade-off."
Stop complaining because you can't get even more out of the already outstanding AP itemization. Do you want to hit harder, be harder to kill, or do you want to spam more spells?
If you're consistent, you'll take CDR blues and do wonderfully with them.
Smefanye5 votesok, but the main point here is that there's only 1 item with 15% CDR (mejais doesnt count because if you have 20 stacks chances are you've won anyway), so it limits options, especially since with 5% cdr from masteries, unless you do the 15% scaling cdr of flat 5% cdr, you're gonna go over and have wasted stats.
DokiDokiTodoroki2 votesI'm pretty sure that they're saying that the wasted stats is intentional. It should be difficult for an AP mage to get 40% without sacrificing the mpen from sorc boots. CDR is an extremely useful stat, and the two biggest CDR items for AP mages (Morello, Athene's), also come with some hefty mana regen. You shouldn't be able to have it all with your build without actually giving up something. Adding more items to conveniently round out to 40% only makes things easier, not necessarily better.
WoonStruck3 votesActually, the MS really does help vs cass, kat, lb, and talon.
The majority of their harass is baitable and avoidable with MS quints, starting boots/pots. Just as well, it lets you harass with auto attacks more without paying for it in creep damage.
This is especially noticeable against LB and Talon.
The early advantage lets you severely mitigate their lvl 6 all-in, making it safe to simply farm through their power spike.
Annie is the hardest out of the 5 you listed to deal with, but a jungler easily solves that, as most are really over-aggressive.
RisenDarkKnight3 votesI just run scaling cooldown reduction glyphs on most of my mids that need 40% cdr. The 15% cdr is worth way more than 12 MR, especially since you can build athene's on many of these champs so you just get a null magic mantle or chalice on your first back and you've made up the mr. As long as you just avoid getting alll inned by an ap champ before your first back, you won't miss the mr glyphs. The 15% cdr is also way more valuable than the ap/lvl glyphs.
On support I just take 10% from masteries and build 3 10% cdr support items. Tanks you just take 3 cdr glyphs and 5% from masteries and build frozen heart and locket/visage.
RastaBrotha3 votesWhat about
Stiv12344 votesWhat do you mean? It has 10%.
ZylotheWolfbane2 votesI think he meant what about getting 15% CDR.
Which would actually be nice, as it would be a bit better of an option for AD caster champs. ER needs some help as it stands.
ShaftyMegee4 votesI would actually buy it's on adc's if they did that.
Stiv12341 votesYeah, but it wouldnt address its core problems. It needs a smoother buildpath.
WoonStruck2 votesLol its you buying the stats. You're making the trade-off when you do so. You could use the creep damage/attack speed to help you farm early game. No more wasted stats, if it really bugs you that much. And yes, it really does make the difference when farming under tower with autos.
IcyPepper2 votesUsually I would be against this (because should be a choice if you want 40% clean, and a sacrifice if you don't), but honestly...
I think the real issue is with 
and 
>.>
I think that and should be on equal ground (do I want more damage, or more cdr without wasted stats?), but because on AD assassins can and will force an AP champion to take , it's really not fair.
In my opinion, and this is just an opinion, I think should give 5% cdr and should give 10 magic penetration. Or something. Costs adjusted, of course.
A 15% cdr item would be nice, I guess. I'm not super against it, just wanted to voice my opinion on boots and midlane itemization >.>
I GANK LANES2 votes6 flat cdr glyphs
The Yetii Rider2 votesI don't see what the big deal is. Just end the build with 45% CDR. The 5% from masteries becomes redundant after you finish your build, oh no. It's your first tier masteries, why should they be super amazing in the late game? Do you see a thread about anyone asking for special items to make Block or Meditation better?
Dinitrophenol1 votesuse flat MR marks. you are going to have to sacrifice something if you want that very sexy cdr glyphs's and flat mr reds are almost as good as the flat mr glyphs, you'll be lacking flat pen, but with mastery pen 6% + voidstaff, it'll be fine... also its nice on supports too that do not need pen that much and could use the ap scaling glyphs or cdr
Smefanye1 votesPersonally I like to go armor marks, health seals, Magic resist/mana regen/cdr glyphs depending on the support and fill quints with whats needed as a support. I take the heat early in lane since if I trade me being low for the ad carry being low then I consider that a win since I'll have more potions. Works well most of the time. Again it just seems weird that only 1 item has 15% cdr since if there were more we could have say the option to not run flat cdr so we have more ap/MR but less cdr in lane, or potentially have 15% from an item, 15% from scaling glyphs and finish with a simple 10% support item like Mikael's. Most times I end up going over on cdr because there are surprisingly few paths that'll get you an even 40% cdr on any role
WoonStruck1 votesCDR isn't supposed to be a given on anything outside of support. Its supposed to be a conscious choice, similar to lifesteal or spellvamp.
That's why I have such a big problem with athenes . You could take away the cdr and people would still buy it constantly if it was gold efficient. It does too much, considering it trivializes mana on essentially every champ. The is especially apparent with Ziggs.
g07h4xf001 votes
needs to have 20% CDR again. the options for 20% CDR are very limited for non-mages.
lead pencil1 votes
The Yetii Rider2 votes
SV is already a really really good item. It doesn't need more CDR.
Frozen Heart is fine as is.
PiVoRx1 votesor make cdr boots cheaper but 10% or more expensive for 20% or another solution, add an boots enchant that adds another 5%
INOBLEI1 votesDear god...
PoopLoopist1 votesI have had this exact thought many times. great post would upvote again
GuiltyGecko1 votesBack when Luci boots were 10% CDR on PBE, a Rioter said they were going to start moving items toward 10%-20% marks instead of more things with 5% in them. If anything, Luci boots and maybe even soulstealer will have their CDR adjusted in the preseason.
Posui Gart1 votesTry scaling cdr runes, with +15% at level18. Or 5% flat cdr.
Dengeden1 votesMain problem with that is that the AP champions you hate most would abuse it most. It's like people wanted an AD+Armor item.
GastonBarnacles1 votesRip atmas impaler
PePsiLemoNN1 votesHow about you don't put points in the mastery if you want THAT much max CDR after 2 items without having more than 40% ?
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