Alright all you gold+ players, why isn't Graves in botlane anymore? Strictly range?

The ammo system combined with the short range just isn't viable as an ADC. He also just doesn't fulfill the role that a damage carry is suppose to fulfill. Combine that with the fact that his autos make it so that a 3 year old can kite jungle mobs effectively and you've got an ideal ranged jungler.

-High mana costs on abilities. Without the jungle buff and jungle item early he goes OOM super fast when trying to poke. -Minions block his AA, heavily reducing his ability to poke and trade -Minions blocking his AA also makes it hard to last hit the proper minion without getting poked to death -Short range and less damage the further the target is means his poke will be pretty weak

he can still work bot lane tbh...it's not bad, he's just a much better top and jg. one of the reasons I dislike playing him adc is it can be difficult to trade. minions blocking his autos hurts a lot. but again, it can still work. ... even as high as Masters.. so if u Wana graves adc go for it.

Cant harass or trade through a minion wave is a major problem. His range is abysmal as well

yeah, i went on tilt a little, was 13-2 ending yesterday, 14-5 now.. then ashe support to cure my tilt w/ my f-it attitude. rip . think i feel better now. i didn't really do any research before noticing after board comms. i feel like killing 2-3 minions in the line at the same time is nice sometimes, mixed with the pushback, but i noticed where everything can body block me unless i'm positioned right. it is a hard lane, it's alot of fun when the lane is made for it .