Why am I seen ADC champs

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so youre saying lucian with a korean build is not an adc?

What fairy fantasy world do you live in where Lucian can't DPS down tanks late game and doesn't build crit?

Oh look, a bunch of AD, attack speed, and crit to enable multiplicative scaling into late game.

varus who has an equally weak attack steroid as jayce w and mainly pokes with his spells on cdr/ar pen builds is not an adc?

That depends. Can he DPS down tanks into late game?

If he can, he's still an ADC. You don't necessarily need crit to DPS down a tank. The reworked Kog'maw did it by stacking on-hits and mixed damage.

If he can't, no, he's not.

when people build ar pen/duskblade on jhin and mf. are they suddenly not adc with these builds either?

Oh look, more crit, attack speed, and AD. His passive is pure multiplicative scaling that lets him do good damage to tanks into the late game, if not as much as a Twitch or a Vayne.

As for MF, yeah, she is unique in that she often builds zero crit.

But she is still a significant DPS threat to tanks with her ult, which shreds EVERYTHING late game by stacking armour pen. So she can still "carry" late game through her damage if properly supported.

then why is everyone calling them that, and why is cannon jayce with a similar build and playstile not an adc in your opinion? where do you draw the line?

Jayce can not carry a team fight with his physical damage alone if both teams are in the late game.

An ADC can.

That is the difference.

because as far as i see, just because hes heavy on poke with his q doesnt mean he doesnt deal a shitload of sustained damage with ranged auto attacks if he decides to.

He builds no attack speed or crit. His auto attack damage is baby shit poop weak compared to an ADC's. He also has extremely short auto attack range (only Sivir and Lucian have equivalent range as bot lane ADCs, and both have far better steroids and better safety nets than a Jayce autoing from 500 units away), so he can't DPS people down as safely as an ADC can.

I mean, I guess he will deal more DPS with auto attacks than Syndra will, but that doesn't make him an ADC.

heck, you could build 1 crit item and for manasustain on him and barely sacrifice any damage on your poke, and play him more like a typical critty marksman. this isnt some stupidass troll build, but would work just as well as his standart armor/pen cdr build.

Oh yeah? Then why don't you think people are playing your stupid fucking ADC Jayce build if he can work just as well as an actual ADC?

I mean, if people could just play a champion with a resistance steroid of 50, high base stats, self-peel, the ability to actually slug it out in melee, a speed boost, and a shit load of poke while still being able to scale into late game as a DPS threat against the enemy front line and do so effectively?

Could it be because his shitty range and poor steroids make it very inefficient?

the reason people go for the armor pen build is just that his empowered q can take 2/3 of a squishies health bar from a screen away with it, which is simply safer. not neccessarily more effective.

It being safer makes it more effective you stooge lol.

Master Yi building AD and crit does by far the most DPS in the game. But it's not very effective because it's incredibly unsafe. That's why, even though he vastly out-damages any ADC, he doesn't go bottom lane and build like one.

ADC Jayce is much the same way, only without the "does more damage" part.

ADC Jayce has less DPS than basically any ADC would. Except maybe Varus, whose kit is a fucking joke, and Kalista, who is intentionally kept in the dumpster.