Teemo Q vs Yasuo Q

NyanDiamond··143 votes·16,973 views

As a teemo player and yasuo player (judge me all you want) i think that yasuo's q should be able to be blinded....as it is "treated as a basic attack" but can't be blinded by teemo's q...even when playing yasuo against teemo i think this is quite bullshit that yas has an unblindable autoattack

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WoonStruck43 votes

Same with Jax E. Yasuo hits right through it.

salty testi7 votes

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Votable Jester31 votes

That doesn't mean he should have that edge.

kile1473 votes

I think that's his point, that Jax should counter Yas so giving Yas that advantage early seems silly.

Votable Jester6 votes

Hmm perhaps it is. I just assumed with his "r u fkn" that he was being salty/ragey which I then associate with being on Yasuo's side for some reason.

RainbowIcee2 votes

he should but doesn't. Yasuo has too much freebies in his kit.

a very bad nado1 votes

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he should but doesn't. Yasuo has too much freebies in his kit.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Ultîma3 votes

Another weird thing about Dodge in this game; Jax's and Shen's block different things. Fiora's Q gets through Shen's, but not Jax.

Gotta love that rito pasta.

aspects12 votes

wait really? he can dodge ezreal q with it idk about gp q

Obsidiot18 votes

Ezreal 's Q too.

Ryrynounet6 votes

it's not really an "auto-attack" because his Q can't crit as yas Q

singiel389 votes

Still it's regarded as auto-attacks and applies on-hit effects, like item 3087 item 3078 item 3100 oritem 3046

Gosh Darn8 votes

It's not regarded as an auto attack though. It applies on-hit effects but can't crit. Easiest way to think about it is that it's just a regular spell but it applies on-hit effects rather than spell effects.

Pale Pirate3 votes

Yet WW's ultimate damage can be blinded and/or dodged. wtf rito?

ReZisT Lust14 votes

To be fair yasuo is just thrusting his D ...i mean sword in a given direciton so even if he is blinded it literally cant miss unless you dodge or he sucks ass at skill shots unlike an auto attack which is aiming your attack to hit the person every time. Tip for teemo players-

SPOILER ALERT

You can blind yas during his ult and he doesnt hit anybody. thank me later [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

ReZisT Lust3 votes

WHERES MY DAMN THANK YOUS*[slayer-jinx-unamused]*

conspiracycanoe7 votes

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WHERES MY DAMN THANK YOUS*[slayer-jinx-unamused]*

Thank yous*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

ReZisT Lust2 votes

Thank youz from teemo

VasilisGreen8 votes

No.... Yasuo's Q is a SKILLSHOT basic attack. SKILLSHOT!!! It's a non targetable, direction based ability that functions as a basic attack for the purposes of On-hit effects but ONLY for the first target struck, and as an AoE skillshot for everyone else in it's path. Like, I come and rip your eyes out and stand in front of your face and you have a sword and just thrust it in front of you. I am in it's path. Should your blade warp around me and miss me just because you are blind? Exactly...

Weight of Law2 votes

that is a pretty bad analogy because a blind person could technically still hit you in that case but it is false in game.

VasilisGreen3 votes

Quite the contrary. Yasuo literally thrusts his sword in a straight line. He doesn't take aim, he just thrusts and whatever is in it's path, gets hit. The analogy is spot on. Teemo blinds him. So what, he will just cut right in front of him and if the little shitter is there, he will feel the pain. Simple, easy to understand, it works. Just like irl a blind person will still hit someone who is right in his face, if he just cuts with a sword in front of his face, so will yasuo in game. It's the exact same thing. It's a skillshot, it's thrown in a straight line, hitting whatever happens to be there or nothing if nothing's there. There are no complications, no complex concepts.

You can't take Aim while blinded, that's why melee or ranged attacks that are targeted will fail to hit. But, shit thrown in a direction, not aimed at something, will hit whoever is in their path. That's how things work. And it works the same in game. If i am playing Caitlyn and teemo blinds me and stands still, Cait's AAs will miss because she had to aim them but her Q, which is just shot in a direction, will obviously hit you if you are there, why? Because it's a Skillshot.

If you want to make a change to how teemo's Q makes shit miss, you should only make Targetable/Aimed shit miss and the thing about that would be that, All point and click spells would miss, which, tbh, playing mostly skillshot oriented champions like Zed, i agree with, it makes sense, how will you aim that fireball as Annie if you're blind? Food for thought

Cosnirak4 votes

The problem is that the PLAYER isn't blind, they are taking aim. They aren't blindly throwing it out there unsure if it will hit. The only way to make a 'blind' in game work like being blind would in real life is to have the player who's blinded suddenly lose all vision and thus be unable to use targeted abilities and all skillshots (including Yas Q) would be best guesses based on last known info. But that's not what happens, and for good reason (feels awful for players and is kind of op).

The better way is to have some mechanic like it does. The only problem is that Yasuo's Q is a spell but also an auto attack, kind of... It's both but not fully either. I think it'd be fine for Teemo's Q to stop Yasuo's Q but I don't think there's a clear right or wrong answer there.

VasilisGreen1 votes

There is no reason for that anyway. Just as people don't complain about spells missing because of Teemo's Q, they should accept that Yasuo's skillshot Q also hits through it.

Cosnirak3 votes

It's not that simple. The tooltip for the ability itself calls it out as sort of an auto attack. It does things that auto attacks do and most spells don't, such as crit and scale with attack speed. Those are reasons. Are they enough? I don't know. But there absolutely are reasons.

VasilisGreen1 votes

the nature of the ability is complicated. Still not a reason for it to miss over blind. It functions just like a normal skillshot but it applies AA damage to the first target struck.

MunchCrunchLunch7 votes

it used to work like that. it used to be blockable. but there was a hidden buff "bugfix" over a year ago that made it undodgable and unblindable. basically.

rtbf761092716 votes

teemo's: It's not fair I can't block this ability with my damage blocking spell Yasuo's: Yes it is. ... blocks teemo's abilities with his damage blocking spell

TotalJerk5 votes

Well if you can blind it, then it shouldn't be blocked by spellshields, for consistency's sake.

intra4 votes

Azir 's Arise! is "treated as a basic attack" but can't be blinded for the same reason why Yasuo's Q can't be blinded.

They are both spells and can't be blinded.

Votable Jester41 votes

Azir's soldiers are absolutely not treated as basic attacks. They replace his basic attack and apply spell effects. They also can't crit or apply on-hit effects. They are aoe spells, not basic attacks.

nergalsfang2 votes

aoe auto attack spells?

Iklaendia2 votes

I made the mistake of not differentiating at first. Rip AD Azir build 2k16, I didn't even know what I was doing wrong. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Resonance x LFT3 votes

If you're going to make this claim, Gangplank Ezreal Q would have to be treated the same way.

Corrupt Bliss3 votes

If it blocks Trundle Q it should block Yasuo Q

DorkunedAuras3 votes

Jax's E can't dodge it either. Yasuo Q has all the benefits of AAs and none of the downsides

Denims Wrath6661 votes

you wouldnt believe how many times this has made me rage. like its already annoying enough if you're a jax main like me, and get "outplayed" by a guy who bought a phantom dancer.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

As someone who's functionally a Jax main, I feel ya. Jax struggles in that lane far more than he should just because of that one interaction.

Chaos6891 votes

In other words, we should make Yasuo completely unable to touch Teemo. In case you forgot, the 100-something damage on his E is his only other damaging ability, and it can only be used once every ~6 seconds. Yasuo can't ult if he can't Q, and he would be completely helpless if Teemo pressed his TARGETED LOW COOLDOWN NUKE on him.

While we're at it, why don't we blind Ganplank and Ezreal Q?

Jefftiffy5 votes

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In other words, we should make Yasuo completely unable to touch Teemo. In case you forgot, the 100-something damage on his E is his only other damaging ability, and it can only be used once every ~6 seconds. Yasuo can't ult if he can't Q, and he would be completely helpless if Teemo pressed his TARGETED LOW COOLDOWN NUKE on him.

While we're at it, why don't we blind Ganplank and Ezreal Q?

Someone has the salt in them. Sometimes there are things called hard counters in the game.

Just because you play Yasuo and he gets favoritism on everything doesn't mean he deserves it. His windwall should spawn in front of him if it is instant, yet it spawns inside of him allowing him to have a seizure and throw the windwall any direction he wants in a panic and still block an incoming projectile.

But it "makes sense" to have him not being effected by a blind when Yasuo Q is essentially an empowered AA which in all other cases misses. List of people who's empower AA's miss teemo while blinded. Garen Nasus Darius Fiora RekSai TwistedFate XinZhao Vayne Vi Shyvana KogMaw Irelia Blitzcrank Poppy MonkeyKing Gangplank Fizz

The only people who act like Yasuo are Ezreal Volibear. Ezreal because his has an actual reason to (it can't crit). Volibear IDK. It used to work on him then they changed it either on purpose or on accident (found this out the hard way when i picked teemo back up last season).

Chaos6894 votes

Clearly you haven't learned Yasuo's kit: EMPOWERED AA is when an AUTOATTACK gets a BONUS EFFECT. Yasuo's Q is a TARGETED SKILLSHOT that APPLIES ONHIT EFFECTS and CAN CRIT (for less damage btw). It is also his ONLY consistent damage source. I can't see the balance in making Yasuo unplayabale against Teemo...

Jefftiffy6 votes

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Clearly you haven't learned Yasuo's kit: EMPOWERED AA is when an AUTOATTACK gets a BONUS EFFECT. Yasuo's Q is a TARGETED SKILLSHOT that APPLIES ONHIT EFFECTS and CAN CRIT (for less damage btw). It is also his ONLY consistent damage source. I can't see the balance in making Yasuo unplayabale against Teemo...

So he has one ranged hard counter in the game when he has a windwall to negate that counter.

I swear its like you guys defend Yasuo like he's Jesus or something.

Yasuo is a very flawed champion. His windwall shouldn't block as much as it does as easily. He shouldn't be getting favoritism for everything. The fact that you almost have to be full melee or be one of the wondrous champs that doesn't rely mostly on projectiles for damage to even have a chance against him in trades is kind of pathetic.

If yasuo extends past his windwall and gets blinded he should get punished for it. Not just laugh at the person who sits and goes wtf and wants to slam their head into the table because of unclear interactions being balanced against them.

Lohith1 votes

26 second cooldown until level 14. teemos q is an 8 second cooldown. that means teemo can be blocked once, but still blind and easily out trade yasuo two other times within 30 seconds. Not to mention, that teemo can just speed up and keep autoing until he kills yasuo. Making teemo a hard counter by making yas q's miss is not good. He will not be able to anything until level 6 where his only hope lies in one shotting teemo after windwalling the blind within 8 seconds. But, he has to go even in lane which is not possible due to the amount of dicking he shall receive from teemo just sticking it in him over and over

AFK Support Bot1 votes

yeah, that's how loads of other champs are, where you just get hard countered. logically speaking, if you're blinded how can you even see where to thrust your sword in the first place? CC him - most forms of cc are ranged skill shots - which he can block. sure sure you can try and bait it out but if its a smart yasuo they know when to use the wind wall, and then you can't cc him, same as if he's dashing around an entire wave of minions. And the free shield he gets just for existing...

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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yeah, that's how loads of other champs are, where you just get hard countered. logically speaking, if you're blinded how can you even see where to thrust your sword in the first place? CC him - most forms of cc are ranged skill shots - which he can block. sure sure you can try and bait it out but if its a smart yasuo they know when to use the wind wall, and then you can't cc him, same as if he's dashing around an entire wave of minions. And the free shield he gets just for existing...

Mate this was 2 years ago.

Don't necro.

a very bad nado1 votes

The one thing that I find completely hysterical about Yasuo-haters like yourself is that, you paint a picture that Yasuo is a completely overpowered BUSTED ASS champion that shouldn't have ever been thought of in the first place, shouldn't have even been designed in the first place. It's like, you talk about him as if he has a 100% win rate. You talk about him as if he is broken as Zed was when Duskblade was coming out. It's literally hysterical.

You forget that like every other champion, Yasuo too has his own counters. Champion counters such as Rammus, item counters such as Randuin's, Sunfire Cape, Iceborne Gauntlet. Even things like hard CC literally and I mean LITERALLY counter Yasuo. I'm not defending that champion because I'm a Yasuo main or anything. I'm just telling you how it is.

Yasuo himself has received a ton of nerfs in the past. When Tank Yasuo first became an issue, he immediately received some big nerfs to his AS. Riot wanted to make Yasuo a much less of a threat late game because of the Frozen Force build that people then kept building on him. That build that consisted of items such as Frozen Mallet, Triforce and then just tank items allowed him to stick on to targets very easily. That's not what Riot intended to design him for. He was primarily designed to deal high outputs of damage with high mobility. He's already had his AS nerfed. What's next, his damage? His mobility? His.. visual look? Seriously, Yasuo isn't a problem for anyone other than terrible players. If you have THAT much of a problem about dealing with Yasuos, just ban him, in every single one of your games. It's not that hard.

rtbf761092711 votes

and my only consistent damage sources are all blocked by windwall. What's your point? It's not like windwall and blind are 100% up time.

Chaos6891 votes

Windwall: ~18/20 second cooldown earlier Blind: ~ like 3-6 seconds before level 7

SSJTribe1 votes

it's 8 seconds at all ranks and the Blind only lasts for 1.5s at Rank 1, and he doesn't max it first so it'll stay that way until level 8.

Chaos6891 votes

Let me introduce you to CDR and DEATH. Try going into a fight level one or two and not attacking for 1.5 or 2 seoncds. You'll be dead by the time you make your second attack.

SSJTribe1 votes

CDR at level one or two? No, I don't think I'll consider that.

And are you talking about a level one/two teamfight? Of course you'd die quickly, but those don't happen. But in a 1v1? In 2 seconds at level 2, Teemo can deal 80 damage (q) 61.7 (auto attack with e) twice. And about 60 more magic damage over 4 seconds which I'll be generous and give you anyway. 80+61.7+61.7+60 = 263.4

Yasuo's health at level 2 is 577, and his passive shield would block 105 damage anyway. 577+105-263.4= 418.6 health OR Yasuo would still have 72.55% of his health left. Plenty of time to make a second attack.

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