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Overall, too much damage is killing this game for me

Lord Creazil··89 votes·5,036 views

It feels like no matter who I play or what game mode i do, my average lifespan in a fight is maybe 2 seconds. That's being generous sometimes, sadly.

Now, I'm not great at the game and I know that. But nowadays when an assassin looks at me i just kind of dont care. I know full well that im going to die in .49 seconds with little to no counterplay. I know that if some champs get even 1 kill they'll snowball so hard that for the next 20 mins ill be dying in .5s whenever they want me to.

And know what? It's NOT FUN AT ALL. This has become a disgusting abomination of damage where the fight is decided AS IT HAPPENS instead of WHILE IT HAPPENS. the first second of a fight generally decides it because in that first second most combatants have lost over 3/4 health.

It's very frustrating to play and VERY VERY boring to watch. I watched my first bit of "esports" today and found myself even more bored than regular sports (which i also dont like). 4 seconds of action decides the whole 20+ minute game and its honestly super boring. This is coming from a guy that dislikes conventional sports and really does want esports to be big.

So my question to RIOT is this: Do you think damage and more specifically burst is too high right now? Also, do you think the assassin rework will help at all? (Because I think its only going to make it worse and put that last nail in the coffin for many. REALLY hoping not though!).

64 Comments

2yordles1cupcake32 votes

Remember when riot nerfed nautilus and other champs for dealing too much damage early game?

http://i.imgur.com/OMiEzK1.jpg

I do.

R FLASH XD32 votes

{quoted}

Remember when riot nerfed nautilus and other champs for dealing too much damage early game?

http://i.imgur.com/OMiEzK1.jpg

I do.

League of Thunderlord's with 5 Thunderlord's per team.I remember that

LordGeovanni1 votes

but its only champions they labled tanks and dont want building any other way

Rude Name16 votes

I kinda hope they release NURF, or something along the lines of that. A gamemode where a teamfight doesn't last 10 seconds.

Flitchee21 votes

10 second teamfights? where you seein these man? i want in on this. 10 seconds is an eternity seemingly.

Sans Hama2 votes

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10 second teamfights? where you seein these man? i want in on this. 10 seconds is an eternity seemingly.

Oh stfu my team fights last like 30 seconds

TequilaZombie3 votes

Galio DrMundo Alistar Amumu TahmKench vs Rammus Nautilus Zac Maokai Chogath

Other than those 2 team comps fighting each other, I see no way in hell a team fight could last 30 seconds.

ZT Xperimentor3 votes

Still be more interesting to watch than the worlds games! [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

TequilaZombie2 votes

I much rather spectate bronze than watch worlds man.

Rude Name1 votes

"It's so gosh darn cold here"

TequilaZombie2 votes

That's because everyone is getting a item 3116 now.

ItsOrval2 votes

Heres the rundown of team fights

1 sec: Tank charges in first 2 sec: whole team goes in to fight 3 sec: Damage 4 sec: Ults going off 5 sec: 2 people die 6 sec: 3 people left run 7 sec: Still runnin 8 sec: Still runnin 9 sec: Get Caught 10 sec: GGEZ

Flitchee2 votes

Yeah maybe in bronze, where people bail before even trying to throw in their damage, or blatantly don't go near the fight until it is over, that's mostly where you get the chase from, Most fights are almost over before they start, right now, unless they are a huge fiesta of a fight, they just end in 5 seconds because whoever pulled the trigger first 100-0 3 people and the rest require slightly more attention.

doiminat0r36005 votes

So instead of it lasting 10 seconds, we are gonna make it last until everyone just leaves the game.

Rude Name5 votes

Haha, YES! The whole gamemode should just be one eternal teamfight in a pitifully small arena, where there's no death timer and you Just. Keep. Fighting.

Limrick4 votes

That would be 10x more fun than URF to be honest.

BlueBilberry4 votes

Maybe Riot will create a version of the game for you where the only items are pillows and spongebats. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Rude Name7 votes

I would be both honoured and relieved. NOW I'd like to see a Zed manage to 100-0 me with a blanket and stuffed animals. If he somehow does, I will drop everything, move to Tibet, and become a monk.

MagikarpIsBoss3 votes

Why doesnt this have more upvotes...

TequilaZombie2 votes

Tibetan Monks can't have upvotes. He just got 100-0 by said Zed.

Digita1Renegade2 votes

haha

bad manner kid12 votes

I'd have to disagree with OP because these split second assassinations build up over a lot period of time or a series of mistakes.

No champion 1v1 can generally do 50% of your HP before level 6, and even then it's still fairly rare for a QWER to kill someone with 1 back unless they are exceptionally squishy.

Things boil down to decisions made and your level of awareness. If an assassin comes back to lane at level 8 with a tier 2 item you should recognize that you either need MR/HP or need to play in a manner that doesn't give them an opportunity to splat all their abilities on your face.

I had a game the other day where Akali went 19-2 or something, and my whole team was crying about how OP she is and how unfair it is. Well, guess what, our mid straight up disrespected her damage in lane and got poked until he died multiple times, she was 4 levels ahead of the entire team by 15 minutes, and we deserved it. Champions with high mobility that get fed will all turn out like this, and it wasn't a split second problem, it was a player or players not playing responsibly in the early game.

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

[{quoted}](name=bad manner kid,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApZQeFe1,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-10-01T13:33:15.793+0000)

I had a game the other day where **Akali ** went 19-2 or something, and my whole team was crying about how OP she is and how unfair it is. Well, guess what, our mid straight up disrespected her damage in lane and got poked until he died multiple times,

?????

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

So? Does her Q heal you or something? Even without proccs several Qs do hurt especially when she is a few levels and items above.

bad manner kid2 votes

{quoted}

My point was that the "instant damage" occurred because of a series of errors by a laner. After she had 3 free/easy kills it was certainly possible for her to splat all over lower level champions with less items.

If you claim theres too much damage and global nerf mages/assassins/adcs the game wouldn't feel fun to play when you are playing well and ahead on those characters. Additionally you wouldn't be able to kill any bruiser/tanky champ that is remotely ahead.

Finally, it's just way too much work to balance 130+ champions. Sometimes it just comes down to who is meta and why, champions do get forgotten by Riot from time to time and become impractical for current play. If you find your dying fast a lot maybe the problem is your playstyle on your champion pool. Just a thought.

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

I'm just joking about someone saying Akali has poke.

bad manner kid1 votes

{quoted}

I'm just joking about someone saying Akali has poke.

Oh, well any champ can poke laner. I see people get whacked by Q aa E aa all the time because they think Akali can't do anything before 6. I'm not exactly talking about challenger mmr here... :L

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

True, it's just that normally her poke pattern would get trumped by whoever she's fighting in mid having WAY superior poke, but I understand how stupidity can lead to weird situations. :p

Roit Gums8 votes

They will rework assassins to have more time to kill you, maybe you should read the future updates before you post

agbudar6 votes

keystones need to be reworked, period.

item 3285 item 3147 provide too much damage when ahead. stuff like this is not champions fault.

lot of champions would be put in line once abusive items are looked at.

Keevalroy7 votes

keystones need to be reworked, period.

Or removed. I'd like that a little more personally.

LordGeovanni1 votes

I liked being able to talor my masteries in previous seasons

Keevalroy2 votes

Without being punished for not going all the way down the tree as well.

AirKingNeo1 votes

I love keystones. What I don't like is some of them being unbuffable due to abuse.

Warlords sucks and can't be buffed because of Graves. DFT sucks but can't be buffed unless they make it not interact with other DoT effects. Stormraider's window needs to be slightly longer and requirement of HP be slightly small. Bond of Stone is pretty useless solo lane.

juice loosener6 votes

item 3070 RIP Season 2 item 3070

Breaku5 votes

I've really been enjoying worlds this year, more so than any other year.

Cavemantero5 votes

It is actually better than it was at the beginning of this season....but I totally agree. The damage has been through the roof since the mastery reworks. Thunderlords is probably the #1 perpetrator. They nerfed item damage but the masteries add so much it seems idk.

LordGeovanni2 votes

better than before doesnt mean its good or in an okay place but you are right it is better than the beginning of the season but people need to get rid of that at least its not as bad as it used to be attitude thats the attitude that says that here is alright even though the goal is way over there because at least we arent where we used to be .

Pandemic Punch4 votes

Agreed

Dengeden4 votes

Yeah sure. You give assassins as your example, which is probably the only champion class that hasn't been picked at world's so far and try to use that to prove this silly myth again. If an assassin instagibs you: a) let him walk up to you (through FoW) b) b(r)ought no HP/MR/Ar c) got outplayed

And be so kind as to link a single f-ing teamfight in world's where the fight lasted 4 seconds,

Flitchee4 votes

Worlds does not equal real league of legends. In fact, Pro league of legends, has nothing to do with real league of legends. Real league of legends is you and your buddies playing, or your average random soloq game. Pro league, is where absolutely EVERYONE is amazing at the game. When just playing on a saturday afternoon, odds are theres like 3 decent players max, and the rest are, well you get the picture. You try and balance around pro play, you end up with the mess we have now. a lot of the things that are popular right now, aren't even in the pro games, almost nobody was playing gnar top a week ago, now? probably a lot of people are like oh he's op, when was the last time you saw a rumble in your games?

Tychusfindlay9193 votes

Fervor of battle needs immediate attention. The amount of damage that keystone gives without any scaling required other than leveling up is fucking insane. It has also been a common suspect in tank assassin/fighter abuse cases but seemingly gets overlooked while the champion abusing it gets nerfed (eventually if fervor of battle does get whacked, those champions then that were wrongly nerfed are going to suck total shit, and the balance nightmare of league o leggo continues).

ShacoVSociety3 votes

Imo damage isnt the problem, because there has to be damage in order to kill priotirty tragets, i think the problem is not enough counter items. Atfer they nerfed qss adcs have it so rough. Also, i just dont think there are enough reliable items to counter burst besides zhonyas for squishy ads

YambrinZ4 votes

Pretty much this. "Oh shit their adc is fed Ima build this thornmail and randuins" still gets 3 shot with a quickness It just seems like damage is the problem when tanks cant.....tank.....not to mention auto attack champions get free healing from lifesteal while those lifesteal items also give damage. Seems balanced.

Papa Slothy3 votes

a lot of champions need to be changed to actually fit in the keystones damage or just remove them (the keystones)

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

reads title

I see what you did there.

iTzYaBoyJohnCena2 votes

Yeah, I agree I don't think this game takes any skill anymore the game is probably gonna die off soon

Tobias Brackner1 votes

Git gud

Synnx78 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tobias Brackner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApZQeFe1,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2016-10-01T21:09:25.346+0000)

Git gud

Git cancer

Tobias Brackner1 votes

No u

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