Grievious Wounds

Against a melee auto attacker for example Frozen Heart's disproportionately valuable

, You sure about that?

Also why is there no good way to shut down hyper mobile champs? Everything else in the game can be itemised against, maybe it's time to let people itemise against mobility.

Yes, but there generally aren't many items you can build that straight up say 'you are now 50% more useless against me' apart from, like, your first armor or MR item. Even then, they can counterbuild your counterbuild, which causes you to buy more armor or MR, etc.

That doesn't happen with grevious wounds; a Soraka or Mundo doesn't see that someone picked up a GW item and goes 'oh, I should build AP/health so I heal for more to counteract the GW!' They were probably already gonna build the AP or health in the first place (though Soraka currently doesn't build that much AP.)

I think a good solution would to make grievous wounds less effective for ally heals. Like the current 40% reduction for self heals and a 25% reduction from all other sources of healing. So it will still help a good deal vs the cancer banana but not shut her out completely.

If you do decide to go back to the old GW paradigm, does that mean you'll revert a lot of the nerfs you've handed Soraka over the past 6 months? Many of these nerfs were because her healing wasn't affected by GW. And as such, if GW goes back to it's old form, Soraka will have been thoroughly dumpstered.

Soraka will desperately need her Q sustain ramped up, her W's heal back up, and her Ult getting it's ability to remove GW back. Hell, could you just roll Soraka back to how she was in 5.20?

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GW as a safety valve is something we're still interested in. Generally there's something you can do to specifically improve your effectiveness when a specific enemy champion is doing really well. Against a melee auto attacker for example Frozen Heart's disproportionately valuable, Banshee's is especially strong against single CC focused champs like Blitz or Annie, Mikael's is great against Morg or Ashe etc. Grevious Wounds offers such an effect against champions whose power increases in self or ally focused ways (e.g. the unkillable Mundo or, if going back to an all healing model, the constantly topping people off Soraka).

And then there's Vayne, who has no item counter in league, because % of Max Health as True damage on a Ranged champion means there is no off switch.

Getting Grevious Wounds removed would probably help make Soraka actually healthy. If all of her healing was reduced by 40% when it matters the most, it'd normally have to be pretty high so it's still kinda useful, especially now that she has a health cost to it. But if GW was gone, than she'd always be at that 'kinda useful' mark without having to buy an item specifically to counter her.

Today I played Mundo top and my opponent chose Quinn and bought first item Executioner's Calling. It felt pretty effective, though it didn't let her just out right kill me or anything it certainly changed how I played. I couldn't just all in her easily, relying on my ult to win the fight, so I had to try to wear her down. But that didn't work well because she could kite me and mostly avoid cleavers by staying behind minions.

To me the item felt overall effective and worth while for her without making me feel completely useless on Mundo, especially once I got to do stuff away from her. I think a lot of the problem with the item comes from its lack of build path options, not due to it failing to do its job. I almost never buy it when I ADC in part because it only builds into one thing and I often still want the effect from Giant Slayer as well. I really wish GS + EC combined into something.