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Tryndamere Needs a Rework

ChocolateMist··11 votes·5,349 views

This fucking champion breaks so many rules and has too many fundamental flaws to be able to stay in this state.

  1. He gets rewarded for being extremely bad. His Q lets him passively get a BF sword just because he got poked, out traded, or took too many tower shots.

  2. His survivability is literally unmatchable to any other champion in this game. He presses R, 5 seconds of no death, if he still is unsafe you can press Q.

  3. His Q has FAR too much self-healing for its cooldown. It already has a passive BF sword, it does not also need summoner 7 on a 4 second cooldown.

  4. He has too much mobility, his E does decent damage, has a short rank 5 cooldown, and can RESET on 1-2 auto-attacks late game. Making him one of the most mobile damage dealers in this game, rivaled only by Kalista.

  5. His R has so little counter-play that I'm surprised Riot hasn't nerfed it already. He can cast his 4 or 5 seconds of pure invulnerability to all damage (Aside from the fountain) through ALL CC SAVE 1. The SINGLE way you can stop him from ulting is to Silence him, as he can ult though ANY OTHER CC for whatever reason.

  6. He has a PASSIVE 45% CRIT CHANCE?!, Yasuo gets 50% bonus crit chance max and has reduced damage on crit BECAUSE OF IT, so why in the HELL does Tryndamere get almost 50% FREE CRIT CHANCE LV 1, with NO DOWNSIDES? It's just THERE. This ALONE makes him one of the best all in level 1 champions aside from Darius.

  7. His W has no place in his kit, he is a Diver not a chaser/hunter like Camille is. And for ffs it's a 40% slow for 4 seconds, this added with his E mobility makes it too easy for Tryndamere to tower-dive lv 6.

  8. He can completely ignore basic map awareness, He can split-push without having to watch the map because what are you gonna do? Kill him? 5v1 him? Well you can TRY to 5v1 him, he will either take 2-3 with him or get a pentakill, and during this the enemy team can just go get Baron, a Dragon or even an inhibitor.

Some Ideas off the top of my head: Passive- Keep the crit chance, but as his Rage goes up- so does his chance at missing auto-attacks. TLDR: %Chance to miss an auto-attack. Q ability- Remove the BF Sword passive or gut the healing. W ability- Maybe a tenacity buff of some sort? E ability- Remove the CD reduction on crit, it makes him too mobile. R ability- Cannot cast during hard CC or silences, Roots and slows are normal.

I'm not saying he's entirely BROKEN, as he isn't in all challenger games or LCS. He's just a Low Risk High Reward champion that to play takes little effort but to fight takes a lot of effort, and for Blind Pick / Normal Games / Ranked Games, Voice Coms are rarely an option for teams.

22 Comments

preternatural3 votes

his q and ulti are honestly the dumbest design decisions in the game. but whatever, can't upset the founder.

Blyr3 votes

lmfao these suggestions are so bad! Learn to play :D

Infernape2 votes

I'm pretty sure Trynd can ult while silenced.

EbonyBladeJ884 votes

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I'm pretty sure Trynd can ult while silenced.

Yup. Done it to him with Garen and Cho who both have Silences. He can still do it. No CC can stop him from using his Ult.

Heko The Man1 votes

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Yup. Done it to him with Garen and Cho who both have Silences. He can still do it. No CC can stop him from using his Ult.

are you new at the game or what? he was always like that. for 10 years. and it was never an issue, just take ignite top and a poky champ or play melee rush item 3076 and win the lane. that champ was never a fucking issue. im a teemo main myself but i if trynd main bans teemo i just pick neeko these days or nasus and rush item 3076 item 3057

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

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are you new at the game or what? he was always like that. for 10 years. and it was never an issue, just take ignite top and a poky champ or play melee rush item 3076 and win the lane. that champ was never a fucking issue. im a teemo main myself but i if trynd main bans teemo i just pick neeko these days or nasus and rush item 3076 item 3057

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Heko The Man1 votes

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never had an issue with trynd as teemo or nasus, ure probably just new at the game.

Sageace1 votes

He's Level 23, of course he's new. You don't have to be a jackass about it.

And not everyone plays Nasus or Neeko (Or Teemo for that matter you sick twisted son of a "beep"). You are playing champions that literally counter Tryndamere. Other players do not see that yet, especially if they are new.

Heko The Man1 votes

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He's Level 23, of course he's new. You don't have to be a jackass about it.

And not everyone plays Nasus or Neeko (Or Teemo for that matter you sick twisted son of a "beep"). You are playing champions that literally counter Tryndamere. Other players do not see that yet, especially if they are new.

Well yeah some guy picked irelia into my nasus yesterday and i rekt him and he tilted hard and started running it down. If you pick something that's not good against trynd and get destroyed it's your own fault.

Blyr1 votes

He would be bad if he couldn't ult through CC.

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

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He would be bad if he couldn't ult through CC.

Other CC, I can sort of get. But a Silence is well... A Silence. Going by tropes established by both this very game and other games (Such as RPGs) that feature a silence, we're supposed to not be able to use special abilities when inflicted with it.

Blyr1 votes

Yeah, but the gimmick of his ult is that he can do it through all forms of CC. It'd be weird if he could do it through every form of CC, but not silence.

Fyrijou1 votes

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I'm pretty sure Trynd can ult while silenced.

Dude, Tryndamere can use ult in ANY situation, from stuns, to knock ups, to Silences and to anything else.

preternatural2 votes

A TEEMO MAIN DOESN'T HAVE A TOUGH TIME WITH TRYNDA HMMMM I WONDER WHY

Mitsuk31 votes

They won't. Because the owner of Riot called Tryndamere. If he don't accept we'll just have to get fucked

DeejayF1 votes

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They won't. Because the owner of Riot called Tryndamere. If he don't accept we'll just have to get fucked

Somebody at Riot is called Ryze? They made a champion for so many Rioters that have their "names" attached to them and a lot of them have faced reworks. heck Ryze had 4 FCKING REWORKS.

I don't want to seem rude but it is entirely possible to have this champ reworked this is not solid point to make.

BrightWîngs1 votes

I just like champions even if they hard feed they are still a major issue if tryn loses lane hard hes still a major issue because hes just gonna split ALL game because its really hard to kill him because he has R and E to run away people like Nasus end up doing the same thing when they are behind but its MUCH MUCH less effective since his lack of mobility of getting away from people. Trynd can just push waves smack the tower until the enemy team sends someone and then just runs away right when they get there he doesn't need to think and say "ok someones probably on their way to me now best back off now so I dont get caught out" You just dont feel like youve won lane at all against trynd sure you're strong because youre fed but guess whos most likely going to be the one answering his split..... The guy whos fed.

So now one of the strongest members of the team are dealing with the 0 7 trynd because he is still such an issue to the team.

Sageace1 votes

He is on the Tier 1 List for a Rework. When Riot has time, they will come around to it.

Otherwise, I believe they are currently working on Pantheon, Fiddlesticks, and Volibear.

It was discussed a possibility of Reworking Shyvana afterwards.

This leaves Dr. Mundo and Nocturne as the last 2 candidates on that vote they had some time ago as additional possibilities afterwards.

THEN, we also have had the discussion of the other champions that needed it too, and it was announced a Tier 1 List: Udyr, Shaco, Rammus, Kennen, Corki (I think), and more. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/Q30wxkKg-new-roadmap-reav3-can-you-give-us-an-update-on-the-tier-1-vgu-list-you-mentioned-one-year-ago

Sageace1 votes

And to note, Tryndamere does have a decent amount of counterplay, you just have to learn it. I do agree he is quite frustrating to deal with, but you have to remember the one rule when fighting him: He's not too useful unless he has his ultimate.

So your goal: Always keep his ultimate on cooldown. Focus on building so much damage that he has no choice but to pop ult every time he fights you. That's what I do with my main, even if I have to blow off my ultimate, his is down. He's gankable afterwards. Oh, and these 2 runes help out SO much: Phase Rush and Nimbus Cloak.

ChocolateMist1 votes

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And to note, Tryndamere does have a decent amount of counterplay, you just have to learn it. I do agree he is quite frustrating to deal with, but you have to remember the one rule when fighting him: He's not too useful unless he has his ultimate.

So your goal: Always keep his ultimate on cooldown. Focus on building so much damage that he has no choice but to pop ult every time he fights you. That's what I do with my main, even if I have to blow off my ultimate, his is down. He's gankable afterwards. Oh, and these 2 runes help out SO much: Phase Rush and Nimbus Cloak.

I literally mentioned that he had counterplay and said he was not broken, but a Low Risk High Reward, low skill but hard to fight champion.

Sageace1 votes

I literally mentioned that he had counterplay

No you really did not.

  1. His R has so little counter-play that I'm surprised Riot hasn't nerfed it already.

This is the ONLY time you ever mention ANYTHING involving counterplay. And you were wrong about it. Silence does not stop Tryndamere ultimate. So you really DID NOT mention accurate counterplay, or any for that matter.

Your overall whole entire post literally, which is somewhat of a rant, says anything BUT a real description of Counterplay. You just want Tryndamere changes... which is fine, Tryndamere is in dire need of it (And frickin deserves too... that annoying champ)

and said he was not broken, but a Low Risk High Reward, low skill but hard to fight champion.

Now this is where you DO mention the rest of your sentence.

I'm not saying he's entirely BROKEN, as he isn't in all challenger games or LCS. He's just a Low Risk High Reward champion that to play takes little effort but to fight takes a lot of effort, and for Blind Pick / Normal Games / Ranked Games, Voice Coms are rarely an option for teams.

If you want to discuss "counterplay", you mention Tryndamere's weaknesses. And I have given you one to work with. Some other guy named did too, but he was a jackass about it.

Warrıør1 votes

Your idea to rework tryndamere would gut him completely. Although he seems very annoying to play against, he is heavily reliant on snowballing the laning phase to actually successfully split-push and be the carry. All of your suggestions are MASSIVE nerfs, and as of 9.18, tryndamere stands at a 50.89% winrate at plat+ according to u.gg, meaning he is a solid pick, but nowhere near broken tier like other champions this patch.

I do agree that tryndamere is so old that the game has outgrown him as a champion, and he needs a rework. However, your hatred for him shouldn't mean completely ruining a champion for no good reason. I believe they should do something similar to the pantheon rework to tryndamere, meaning fundamentally keep him the same but make him more suited to the current game. They should make him less snowball reliant and having more outplay potential against opponents and vice versa (when tryn gets fed there's almost nothing you can do to prevent him killing you repeatedly). Overall, I think that the tryn rework (im assuming it will happen as tryndamere is a very highly requested rework) should keep him a splitpushing 1v1 monster but make him more enjoyable to play and play against.

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