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Daily Reminder that Rengar has no Counterplay

ChocolateMist·Jun 22, 2019·6 votes·2,491 views

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Riot: Zhonya's Hourglass and Wards counter Assassins. Also Riot:

Rengar- How does one counter Rengar? Passive - a No Cooldown Jump Q - Autoattack reset that can deal 1000 damage at once W - % Damage taken heal --Buffed--> %DamageTaken Heal, MS Buff, and a CC Cleanse E - A ranged slow --Buffed--> A ranged Root R - A very short cooldown- Movement speed buff, long range dash, True Sight reveal, and bonus damage

(NO mana cost on anything and all of his abilities can be animation canceled.)

How do you counter assassins? Wards, CC, Shielding or healing, and sticking near a teammate What does Rengar do? Build duskblade to ignore wards, has a CC cleanse, laughts at shields, kills you before you can heal, one shots you even near a team and then kill your team afterwards because he has a %damagetaken heal.

The single and only saving grace you have against Rengar is having Godlike Thresh that can E Rengar out of his R before he kills your ADC.

"Pika Fox" mentioned Poppy, which is a counter if you manage to find a Poppy that wants to support or find a Poppy at all.

19 Comments

Pika FoxJun 22, 20193 votes

Poppy support.

ChocolateMistJun 22, 20192 votes

Actually this is correct, I didn't think about Poppy cause I rarely see her anymore.

DOUBLE TAPPED EJun 22, 20193 votes

Daily reminder that shoe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFOdSxc6cQk

WoodakoodashoodaJun 22, 20193 votes

Wow. Even dumpstered and people are still complaining about Rengar.

People just won't be happy with him until he's permanently disabled (which will be never) or re-worked into something that is Rengar without actually being Rengar (which may happen eventually sometime in the distant future).

ı Sona ıJun 22, 20191 votes

Armor and health.

Lulu

Janna

Annie

Zilean

PInk wards

Stopwatch

Peeling zone

ChocolateMistJun 22, 20191 votes

Armor and health - Lethality and burst Lulu ult IF you can ult in time Janna ult if you can land it un time Annie stun if you can land it in time Pink wards? Duskblade destroys them instantly too Stopwatch, I guess but his ult has a 20s cooldown lategame and Zhonyas has a 120s cooldown Peeling zone? He's Rengar, the no reaction time allowed assassin, and he has a CC cleanse.

BoltonatorJun 22, 20191 votes

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Armor and health - Lethality and burst Lulu ult IF you can ult in time Janna ult if you can land it un time Annie stun if you can land it in time Pink wards? Duskblade destroys them instantly too Stopwatch, I guess but his ult has a 20s cooldown lategame and Zhonyas has a 120s cooldown Peeling zone? He's Rengar, the no reaction time allowed assassin, and he has a CC cleanse.

I have no issues playing against a rengar jungle as lulu support. It’s hard to explain it in technical terms but let’s just say, after awhile of facing Rengar and his attack patterns over the years, I’ve developed a hair-trigger that works more often than not. Just stick to your adc and get that R ready because the kitty is comin’

Lulu

ı Sona ıJun 22, 20191 votes

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I have no issues playing against a rengar jungle as lulu support. It’s hard to explain it in technical terms but let’s just say, after awhile of facing Rengar and his attack patterns over the years, I’ve developed a hair-trigger that works more often than not. Just stick to your adc and get that R ready because the kitty is comin’

Its like the sound of the bell at a race track for horses. Just have to be trained for the sound of Rengar jumping out at you to react immediately.

BoltonatorJun 22, 20191 votes

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Its like the sound of the bell at a race track for horses. Just have to be trained for the sound of Rengar jumping out at you to react immediately.

To be honest it helps ALOT when the Rengar eyes hover above the target he is closest to. It can take time but just that visual cue alone can give insight to his location and better prepare you to react faster. It is not easy but it can be done.

The EcdysiastJun 22, 20191 votes

At level 18 the maximum amount of armor penetration you can have from lethality is 62. Sunfire and Deadman's grant 60 armor. So if you opt for a single tank item mid build you can completely negate his penetration. Barring that, you always have the options to go for GA, Cleaver, or Mallet if you want an item with damage and defense.

Counter-picking is not counter-play. So I won't say much about the champs. If you have to hard counter a champion in champ select because they have no counterplay, there's a problem. Even with an option as good as Poppy, you still need to have reaction as quick as with Zhonya's since he has a massive window of opportunity.

As for control words-- it irks me when people call them Pinks because they first of all aren't pink and second don't do what Pinks did-- if you pay attention to your pink ward you can know when it's been deactivated and destroyed.

You can drop the cooldown of Zhonya's to 72 by bringing Domination secondary. If you bring Domination and Inspiration, you can bring both Ingenious Hunter and Cosmic insight, which thanks to the fact it drops the active of Stopwatch items an additional 15%, will bring the total cooldown of Zhonya's down to 57 seconds at 5 IH stacks. Which should be long enough to have it just about every time Rengar's going after you again.

One thing that should definitely be changed though, is that Rengar's W-- which is already a cleanse and a heal-- should not also have high enough scaling to justify buying Zhonya's on him.

Anda bigger problem is that he doesn't even have to buy lethality. Lately he's just been going top with a full fighter build and doing better than some actual top laners.

SaezioJun 22, 20191 votes

You seem to think lethality counters armor, it's the other way around. Armor counters lethality. And armor is countered only by % arm pen.

So, you see him destroying the ward with duskblade and somehow you still die to him? like, wtf is this?

ΓΤΧΜ Jun 22, 20191 votes

Yearly reminder since season 2 that crit adcs have no counterplay.

..?? Resourceless burst per second no cooldown(outside animation which is countered via attack speed) hardest scaling lifesteal due to crit itemazation also while sporting 500+ range and almost always having a second player on top of them.

Only counterplay? CC/Insta death.

Rengar (copy pasta what you said to an extent) Only counterplay? CC/Insta death.

What is the difference? Fucking NONE and don't give me the RENGAR CAN W CC. All goddamn %^%^ ( self censor thank me later mods) can buy MERCURIAL or even a big ARMOR ITEM like they did 4 years ago and make him irrelevant because Mages get a

OOOPS YOU DON'T INTERACT WITH ME RIGHT NOW BRO ITEM item 3157 which reveals him and he dies instantly or flashes out then becoming useless cause his position is known. I have HUNDREDS of rengar games on my own accounts ( Hint this ain't mine i'm permabanned from boards ) and he has the same toxic shit of a kit as ADCs only difference he comes online at 1 item not at 1.75(IE/ZEAL/DAGGER) like adcs. But i NEVER had an issue with a Rengar outside playing shitty diamond 3 games while crit rengar was viable because they fed him 10 kills somehow pre 11.

So please STFU untill adcs get gutted and crit stat removed untill then DO NOT complain about ANYTHING that relates to POINT AND CLICK BURST WITH NO COUNTERPLAY.

Truli91Nov 10, 20192 votes

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Yearly reminder since season 2 that crit adcs have no counterplay.

..?? Resourceless burst per second no cooldown(outside animation which is countered via attack speed) hardest scaling lifesteal due to crit itemazation also while sporting 500+ range and almost always having a second player on top of them.

Only counterplay? CC/Insta death.

Rengar (copy pasta what you said to an extent) Only counterplay? CC/Insta death.

What is the difference? Fucking NONE and don't give me the RENGAR CAN W CC. All goddamn %^%^ ( self censor thank me later mods) can buy MERCURIAL or even a big ARMOR ITEM like they did 4 years ago and make him irrelevant because Mages get a

OOOPS YOU DON'T INTERACT WITH ME RIGHT NOW BRO ITEM which reveals him and he dies instantly or flashes out then becoming useless cause his position is known. I have HUNDREDS of rengar games on my own accounts ( Hint this ain't mine i'm permabanned from boards ) and he has the same toxic shit of a kit as ADCs only difference he comes online at 1 item not at 1.75(IE/ZEAL/DAGGER) like adcs. But i NEVER had an issue with a Rengar outside playing shitty diamond 3 games while crit rengar was viable because they fed him 10 kills somehow pre 11.

So please STFU untill adcs get gutted and crit stat removed untill then DO NOT complain about ANYTHING that relates to POINT AND CLICK BURST WITH NO COUNTERPLAY.

Adc are weak. And rengar has no counterplay aside from 5 premade team coordonation. He needs to be gutted.

TremaursenJun 22, 20191 votes

Rengar has one of the biggest counters in league; gamestate. Rengar is actually one of those few champions that is essentially a 4v6 if he's behind. He's absolutely feast or famine and has some of the most difficulty coming back from behind. There's a reason he's a solo climb monster while never really being viable in competitive or high elo comps. Hell he genuinely sucks in general at the moment. WORK WITH YOUR TEAM TO SHUT HIM DOWN, FULLSTOP. Are you a toxic PoS that wants to have his cake and eat it too? Too bad, here's an empowered Q.

I don't consider his playstyle or design to be healthy, but in the moment those problems aren't going anywhere. Regardless he does have real counterplay that you should really start considering. This post reeks of elo shitter more than anything.

IllabetheJun 22, 20191 votes

Rengar's probably the hardest countered assassin by virtue of ARMOR. He does build Lethality, but he has one of the worst pairings with Black cleaver, since his skills generally only hit once. In other words, a single Armor item can null all potential armor penetration he builds, and then some.

item 3110 absolutely destroys his kill potential, as does item 3075 and item 3157

Rengar is generally only a problem when you nub it up, feed his passive 5 bounties by 4-5 minutes and spend the entire game vs a 26% AD bonus kit. And, most pro rengars will try to do this right away (1-3 are easiest kills).... So.... expect ganks..... and stay the F away from bushes, and control ward, until you have armor. Then just trick him into a bush engage and destroy him inside the bush (he can't bush leap twice if you are inside his bush)

ChocolateMistJun 22, 20191 votes

You're forgetting that Rengar only jumps on squishies, IE: Mages, certain supports, adcs, etc. None of the above build Thornmail or Frozen Heart.

IllabetheJun 23, 20191 votes

You're forgetting that I don't give a damn. You do what it takes to survive and win a game. If you choose to stay squishy and not address your problem, that's your loss. There are at least 10 viable, competitive combinations of items/runes per champion that are meta, tailored to specific teams, etc.

If you're scared of an AD assassin and playing Nami , you damn well build item 3003 item 3110 and maybe even item 3025 , and get Transcendence, which turns all that CDR into AP.

If you're playing an adc, but scared of an assassin, you damn well better start off with item 3026 early in your build.

If you're playing a mage that can only trade offensively, you damn well better start off item 3191 into item 3157

Learn to itemize. You will never get ANYWHERE by spamming 1 build, starting every game item 3802 > item 3285 or item 1038 > item 3031 . If you do, you deserve to lose.

The entire teamJun 23, 20191 votes

Daily reminder:

Git gud

Fella AirNov 11, 20191 votes

I really dislike playing against rengar, but the main thing you have to use against him is instinct. Stealth assassin players, at least in plat and under where I've played most of my games, tend to play super predictably and run at you in a straight line because they assume you won't throw your skills out blind. Given the choice between that and just dying the instant he jumps me, I tend to get up against a wall and throw a combo out where I think he's coming from. I have a bunch of saved highlight clips where this catches him out, breaks his ult stealth and gets him very low before he even gets on me. There's one on brand where I just straight up kill him. I've even done it on Nami and it's the funniest thing ever, this badass assassin getting bubbled in stealth by the support and just oneshot by my team before he can do anything.

Sweeping lens helps with this a lot because you get that little shimmer where he is and it does slightly outrange his jump.

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