Nerf Pyke

ChocolateMist·7/12/2019, 3:59:11 PM·10 votes·2,580 views

Pyke has WAY TOO MUCH UTILITY to also be a viable assassin.

His Passive is so unoriginal it's a joke, it's literally just INSANE SUSTIAN on an assassin who doesn't need it. It's just a buffed Tahm Kench E passive. His Q is: A short range nuke with an insane slow, OR a long range pull/flip ALSO with an insane slow. His W is Stealth, it enables his passive while in combat, AND is an escape, gives movement speed. His E is a dash with a stun that also does massive damage. His R is a: AOE ranged execute that scales with AD, deals true damage, does damage to everyone around it, it resets, it shares gold, it dashes him, and you don't even need to land it for it to reset, if someone dies under it you still get the gold and reset.

The 1 shot combo on Pyke assassin is W -> E -> Tap Q -> R The teamfight Pyke is E R R R R R R R R till everything is dead. The support pyke is Q E Ignite R R -> double kill

He just does TOO MUCH SHIT

CC in his kit: Q slow, Q pull, Q flip, E stun, Death on R Mobility in his Kit: W movement speed buff, E dash, R dash

So to recap, he has 1) Sustain to fight even if he lost, 2) 3 different CC types, 3) 3 mobility spells, 4) AN EXECUTE THAT SCALES WITH AD THAT DEALS TRUE DAMAGE, and apparently the highest base Armor stat in the game at lv18

16 Comments

Jimmy Rustles7/12/2019, 4:21:18 PM9 votes

Nerf his tankiness

Considering he has a tahm E for a passive, no reason he should have the 2nd highest base armor and highest lv 18 armor

hhaavviikk7/12/2019, 4:44:27 PM9 votes

I see people saying him not being able to build health like it's a downside, since when do assassin's want to build health?

SiG DxD7/12/2019, 4:24:30 PM7 votes

he is broken as fucc

he has biggest armor in game / lvl and at 18 , 130 armor at lvl 18 is insanely OP

arowin2427/12/2019, 4:35:47 PM6 votes

2300 HP second highest after kled combined with a natural 130 armor makes him FAR too tanky to allow him building full damage and guaranteeing gold on the ADC/last assisting champ.

also his ult doesn't deal true damage: it EXECUTES, meaning that hitting a target under the threshold will GUARANTEE death. the same goes for urgot.

an overloaded champ that will have his numbers shoved around 20 billion times until being nerfed into an unplayable state, while remaining his mechanics, until they finally decide to rip them out 1 by 1 and give him stats back.

bad champ / balance design.

That's all.

Hotarµ7/12/2019, 4:35:44 PM6 votes

His Passive is so unoriginal it's a joke, it's literally just INSANE SUSTIAN on an assassin who doesn't need it. It's just a buffed Tahm Kench E passive.

Actually he does need it, because he has no way of building any form of bonus health or viable way of building bonus resistances.

He gets higher base stats because building lethality is the only thing he can do, if he goes tank he kneecaps his damage output and doesn't even get full benefit from it.

His Q is: A short range nuke with an insane slow, OR a long range pull/flip ALSO with an insane slow.

For starters: They nerfed the bonus damage from his Q, there is no "either or" here. He does the same damage with both parts of his Q.

Secondly, his hook takes a full 3 second charge to reach the same length as a Thresh hook, 1,100 units.

Finally, for Pyke to flip you, you have to be close to him. His hook pulls you a set distance every time depending on the charge, meaning he has to be close to you for you to be flipped behind him. He either gets the "long range hook" (which isn't that long, it's right up there with other abilities like Ezreal/Thresh Q) or he gets the flip. Not both.

His W is Stealth, it enables his passive while in combat, AND is an escape, gives movement speed.

If you stand in his detection radius he doesn't get the regeneration.

His E is a dash with a stun that also does massive damage.

95 / 125 / 155 / 185 / 215 (+ 100% bonus AD)

Is not "massive damage" and also, it's his only reliable escape. On top of that, currently it only damages champions meaning he can't shove waves or solo lane effectively. Also, it's very telegraphed and can be dodged with any sort of mobility, more on that below.

His R is a: AOE ranged execute that scales with AD, deals true damage, does damage to everyone around it, it resets, it shares gold, it dashes him, and you don't even need to land it for it to reset, if someone dies under it you still get the gold and reset.

It's not unavoidable though. It's telegraphed so any sort of dash, blink, heal, stasis, or even MS boost is enough to straight up walk out of it.

In fact, here's a list of every champion who can consistently and effectively dodge Pyke's ult, shutting him down entirely.

Any heal can bring his target out of the ultimate threshold. Bard Fiddlesticks Janna Fiora Kayle Nami MasterYi Lulu Nidalee Soraka Sona Taric Vladimir Volibear Yuumi + summoner 7 summoner 11

Any dash can evade it. Aatrox Ahri Akali Alistar Amumu Azir Braum Caitlyn Camille Corki Ekko Fiora Fizz Galio Gnar Jax Gragas Graves Irelia JarvanIV Kayn Kindred Kled Leblanc LeeSin Lucian Malphite Maokai Nidalee Ornn Poppy Pyke Qiyana Rakan RekSai Renekton Riven Sejuani Shen Sylas Tristana Tryndamere Vayne Vi MonkeyKing XinZhao

Any blink can evade it. Evelynn Ekko Kassadin Katarina Leblanc Lissandra Yasuo Zoe Zed

Any stasis can stop it. Bard + item 2423 item 3157 item 3386 item 3026

Any untargetability can stop it. Elise Fizz Vladimir Zed

Any "disappear" ability can dodge it. Shaco Zed Mordekaiser

Spellshields can stop it. Sivir Nocturne + item 3814

Revivals/undying spells can stop it. Zilean Ekko Kindred

Even certain MS boosts are enough to straight up walk out of his ultimate. Nami Udyr Hecarim Sivir + item 3009 + summoner 6




The 1 shot combo on Pyke assassin is W -> E -> Tap Q -> R

If Pyke uses that combo and fails on any step, an ally heals his target, an ally boosts his target's MS, the target blinks, the target dashes, the target has a stopwatch, the target has any sort of unique non-death ability, Pyke will just get caught out and die, severely gimping his team's kill power.

If Pyke is fed and you do get hit by that many abilities and you have no bonus health or armor? Yeah, you kind of deserve to die.

The teamfight Pyke is E R R R R R R R R till everything is dead.

And that's what should happen if you don't dodge it.

Does that mean Darius' ult is broken? After all, if he gets 5 stacks or lands a killing blow with his ultimate, he's going to decimate entire teams if they don't do anything about it.

The support pyke is Q E Ignite R R -> double kill

Pyke has plenty of meta counters at the moment, but aside from that; Stand behind minions. Save summoner heal or healing abilities for when he's about to ult. Play an ADC with an escape. Make sure your support is warding bushes and potentially bodyblocking any abilities so you can escape. Don't fight him if he's ahead, all of his abilities are telegraphed meaning you can escape with ease if you don't get locked down by other enemies.

I don't understand why you'd try to use this as an argument though. For starters, it takes way more than two abilities and an ignite to land a double kill. Pyke and his ADC have to consistently autoattack throughout the fight for you to both be in ult range in which you can still dodge it or heal out of it, it's not a guaranteed ability.

It sounds like you (or the person in this example) just misplayed and you're upset about it. If any champion hits you with that, you'll most likely die. Here, I'll use Blitzcrank as an example. Blitzcrank hooks you, knocks you up, ults and ignites you. You're dead! Sounds broken when you don't provide any context or try to play around the champion.

CC in his kit: Q slow, Q pull, Q flip, E stun, Death on R Mobility in his Kit: W movement speed buff, E dash, R dash

You know what he doesn't have? Two of the most crucial aspects of supporting, he lacks any defensive options for his allies.

If I pick Pyke and the enemy team has a poke comp, looks like my ADC is out of luck. I can't build any item or do anything to help them in or out of laning phase. If they're being focused my only option is to hook or stun them, both of which are telegraphed and can be dodged in any way.

I'm also curious as to why you're not bringing up Sona, Soraka, Janna, or Nami right now. All of them are much stronger than Pyke right now anyway. And on top of that, Pyke is actually weaker right now, meaning he needs some sort of compensation buff, atleast targeted at lower ELOs.

koshkyra7/12/2019, 4:27:47 PM4 votes

Aftershock and his base stats make him too tanky, if they’re going to make him overloaded as fuck then he should at least be able to take return damage.

Teh Song7/12/2019, 6:05:54 PM2 votes

First of all there's no such thing as a "one shot combo". If it takes a combo to kill something, it wasn't one shot. You can only call it a one shot kill if literally a singular attack brought them from 100% to 0% hp, which on Pyke would be a bad thing since you want to use his execute.

Anyhow.

In my experience, Pyke isn't a viable assassin in the first place. He himself does not deal enough damage to be an assassin. Instead he's just an executor, and he needs his teammates to get the enemy execution ready. And no, being and executor =/= being an assassin. Jhin is also an executor, and also not an assassin. You can, however, call these champions assassin hybrids. Pyke is a support assassin, which is very distinct from just being an assassin. Thus the whole executor who needs his teams help thing.

Sinister Anubis7/31/2019, 12:44:34 AM2 votes

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Pyke has WAY TOO MUCH UTILITY to also be a viable assassin.

His Passive is so unoriginal it's a joke, it's literally just INSANE SUSTIAN on an assassin who doesn't need it. It's just a buffed Tahm Kench E passive. His Q is: A short range nuke with an insane slow, OR a long range pull/flip ALSO with an insane slow. His W is Stealth, it enables his passive while in combat, AND is an escape, gives movement speed. His E is a dash with a stun that also does massive damage. His R is a: AOE ranged execute that scales with AD, deals true damage, does damage to everyone around it, it resets, it shares gold, it dashes him, and you don't even need to land it for it to reset, if someone dies under it you still get the gold and reset.

The 1 shot combo on Pyke assassin is W -> E -> Tap Q -> R The teamfight Pyke is E R R R R R R R R till everything is dead. The support pyke is Q E Ignite R R -> double kill

He just does TOO MUCH SHIT

CC in his kit: Q slow, Q pull, Q flip, E stun, Death on R Mobility in his Kit: W movement speed buff, E dash, R dash

So to recap, he has 1) Sustain to fight even if he lost, 2) 3 different CC types, 3) 3 mobility spells, 4) AN EXECUTE THAT SCALES WITH AD THAT DEALS TRUE DAMAGE, and apparently the highest base Armor stat in the game at lv18

I dont have much a problem with support pyke but solo pyke is insane to deal with. The lane is boring when you lane vs him cause trading feels meaningless when he can heal it all back up and ganking him is a nightmare cause of his e dash stun and his w and if you get counter gank his lane is over cause he just healed back his hp and is ready to smash q and r on someone for massive damage and BONUS gold. I honestly think he gets to much gold from R and he heals way to much in lane possibly one of the easiest and safest laners in game i feel like something needs to change or i will keep perma banning him.