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Luden's Echo: Initial Release Thought/Suggestion

EvilRabbitt·Mar 14, 2015·1 votes·1,221 views

Luden's is a very strong item on some, and weak on others. It increases bursters (lb, ahri, kat), linearlly progresses dot based/sustained (mal, brand, cass, etc). Eventually (or maybe already) people have seen this like I did. Its not core (thank goodness), but its not Niche. Its what I just posted about for an Essence Reaver thread- it fills the situation your champion needs for that specific game. Which makes me, as a player who values diversity to everything else (minus lore/art/favorite-champ-being-balanced), extremely satisfied.

Satisfaction aside, I do think it could use one buff. Make it do (effectively) what Essence does ON TOP of its shiv effect. Please. I'd take an AP reduction, a base reduction, ANYTHING: it could be incredibly useful and more set to what I stated above IF it restored mana based on damage via spellcast. There'd be diversity everywhere again- do I want echo for damage/regen or do I want morello (the current mana based mages CORE item) for 20% cdr and regen, with a little less damage.

Feedback appreciated. This was spur of the moment, so I really do mean FEEDBACK APPRECIATED. =)

6 Comments

MeserionMar 14, 20152 votes

Its a fantastic item, the movement speed helps deal with the high mobility meta we're faced which allows slower mages to stay nimble. Its AP is of course awesome, and it's passive proc works with everything, item 3116 , item 3151 both proc from it making it really good.

Two Right Wings Mar 15, 20151 votes

I like it! I'd like it a lot more if Kayle's E empowered autos charged it though!

EvilRabbittMar 15, 20151 votes

It'd be spooky. Rito, Idea.

KrinuMar 15, 20151 votes

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I like it! I'd like it a lot more if Kayle's E empowered autos charged it though!

That would make it insanely good for her. I mean, she's already a borderline hypercarry that excels at wrecking teamfights, adding Luden's Echo to it would make her the absolute queen of end-game teamfights. I mean, can you imagine what would happen if it procced on her E hits? Runaan's + Luden's + Righteous Fury would mean that she'd be better off in a 3v1 than a 1v1.

That said, it'd be hilariously fun to play, but nowhere near balanced.

Two Right Wings Mar 15, 20151 votes

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That would make it insanely good for her. I mean, she's already a borderline hypercarry that excels at wrecking teamfights, adding Luden's Echo to it would make her the absolute queen of end-game teamfights. I mean, can you imagine what would happen if it procced on her E hits? Runaan's + Luden's + Righteous Fury would mean that she'd be better off in a 3v1 than a 1v1.

That said, it'd be hilariously fun to play, but nowhere near balanced.

Kayle has a strong late game, however at 6 items with elixer her auto attacks only deal about 340 damage to a ADC with 40 Mr That makes Kayle have the slowest kill speed on an enemy carry of any full build ap mid in the game. Kayles need to focus on landing as many autos as possible while not dying with her short attack range. Late game kayles should be rewarded for consistently landing auto attacks. Take it from a guy with 600+ Kayle games in all roles, since the ratio nerfs, she has the lowest damage output of any mid in the game, essentially making her a lesser tier lulu. She could use an item that rewards her for perfect positioning and execution

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