RENGAR BALANCING WITHOUT CHANGING NUMBERS

WiegrafOfValor··2 votes·638 views

UNSEEN PREDATOR: While in brush or in stealth, Rengar gains bonus attack range and his basic attacks cause him to dash to his target. This bonus lasts for 0.5 seconds upon exiting brush or stealth. Unseen Predator occurs regardless of whether or not his target has Sight_ of him._

Why don't simply take aways his ability to use Unseen Predator if he's spotted by wards or pink wards? It make sense and will be a simple and great way to add a counter to him. Denying his gap closer if you have good vision cover is a great way to balance him.

Think about it, if Rengar is coming to gank you adc now, there isn't much you can do unless you Madlife him while he's steath. With this change you can simply put a pink near you, and he'll have to walk all the way toward your adc and with that window you can punish him, or he'll be forced to back off and waste a gank+ult.

C'mon Riot, is this asking too much? Really?

Source: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Rengar

16 Comments

TheThundersRoar3 votes

Because then he can instantly know if the bush is warded.

Counter-ganks no longer work.

He no longer wastes time, because he always knows if he's spotted.

Terrible idea, really.

I'd even count it as a buff.

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

How come, losing his ability to dash on you is a buff? I prefer to inform him that the brush is warded and be able to deny his gank or even make him avoid my lane than maybe someday how knows, if my jungler is near, perhaps he can counter jungler.

Your arguments are not the best, sir.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

well he only knows if hes spotted when he jumps, not when hes in the brush. he wont get any notification so if he tries to jump and it doesnt work he allready stepped out of the brush and is like "oh shit". but well, that wouldnt really balance him.

maybe it could be made so that his jump has 2 seconds cooldown or so because double and triplejumping is the only thing that is really not healthy about him.

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

Good point, but my worries is more when he ult on your carries and even when they run or group he's able to delete them with little counter play. Lane phase is a drag but manageable, my problem is when he delete my carry before a teamfight with 50s+ death-timer even when they are well positioned.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

if your entire team is well positioned, there is no way he can delete your teammember without instantly dying himself or at all. rengar is a champion who severely punishes retardness so yeah thats really tough for the community but in the end hes fine.

WiegrafOfValor1 votes
  1. It's impossible to organize all 5 players in Solo-Q
  2. Even if he dies the damage is done, you lost a carry and waste a lot of CC on him. (It's all a initiator needs to do.)
  3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpFd6IMNHhk | Disgusting, and a great example of a well positioned team get obliterated by Rengar can be seem at 0:25
  4. Champion designer RiotRepertoir said: "Who/what do you feel is the most unhealthy for the game right now? For a singular champion, I think it's almost embarrassing that Rengar exists in his current form, and we tend to act like it's not an issue. As for the single thing I think is most unhealthy for the game, I'd say its incredible barrier to entry."

So is not community whinning..

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes
  1. only need to have organized botlane because one champ is enough to peel if its a good champ

  2. if he dies, its then 4on4 and even tho you are some cooldowns behind, he was full damage so it shouldnt be too bad.

  3. disgusting how a champion with 20 kills and full build can kill people. really disgusting. also disgusting how they had no cooldowns up anymore and still couldnt peel him with only their autos. really disgusting. perfect example of no organization and stupid team

  4. i dont know this guy and he has no position or achievement that makes me respect his statement more than yours. actually as you said he is champion designer, i would like to know which champs he designed because that would probably even lower the value of his words below a normal persons.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Lol yeah it is rather obvious that most of the enemy team in that clip was undecided between focusing rengar or chasing thresh/graves "perfectly organized" Kappa

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

They were winning the TF, back line was dishing damage, front line was holding decent, they had someone peeling for the carries. And rengar destroy them with 1 second, no time to react, plus he was invisible you asshole

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Yeah but they cc'd rengar only one or 2 times and when they did, they didnt focus their damage on him. Basically stun and forget.

I bet people would cc then think someone else would finish him and just go for graves / thresh.

Amazing how a team gets tilted by a 20 kill rengar isn't it! Almost like they were flustered and made a lot of mistakes!?!?

EDIT: after rewatching i noticed that ryze did focus rengar, but he alone wasn't able to finish off rengar. Also people ran into bushes to escape rengar? LOL OK. You said their team was well organized.. Anivia walked PAST AMUMU and was the frontmost CLOSEST MEMBER OF HER TEAM TO THRESH AND GRAVES. The IMMOBILE MAGE BACKLINE was literally AT the FRONT. Lastly, trundle had just used his pillar, so that was down when rengar went in, meaning all trundle had to offer was chomp, which he didnt even start moving at rengar to USE chomp until everyone was basically dead

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

If you don't know the person who create the game you play, how am I suppose to trust your opnion?

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

because i know the shit he created. you dont know him either, you just read some stuff he wrote on the internet.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Kha'Zix knows if a bush is warded by entering it with no passive and seeing if his passive triggers

Gommunism1 votes

Coming from a Rengar main. In theory, this mechanic seems reasonable, but it's basically like him getting a free Raptor smite buff that lasts all game. Kind of a 50/50 change as far as I can see. But I would like to see this actually be implemented to get an idea of how players would work with it. I just really want something that can shut up the anti-Rengar players but still please the fan-base, like me and all the other Rengar mains.

Randomonium2 votes

I'm certainly not a Rengar main so this might be a horrible idea but why not make it so that when he leaps if another champion in in the same line as his intended target they can "block" the leap. For example, if Rengar leaps towards an ADC but the support is in the way Rengar stops at the support. I guess what I'm saying is make Rengar's leap work like Caitlyn's ultimate. That would give Rengar some counter play and allow his kit to be improved/tweaked in other areas.

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

Good Idea, I'm not main Rengar but got some games on my record. I find quite sad that players can't do much to help their carries when ult them. Even if I die, the damage is already done, at least one carry I took and they'll use most of their CD on me to save the other. With a good team is easy Ace most of the time.

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