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@Riot Why removing something from Karma that makes her more unique, fun and challenging ? (again)

Warden Karma·7/16/2016, 5:43:28 PM·8 votes·991 views

You have taken away so much from her what makes her unique and fun (Fans, Shieldbomb, Dualism instead of Trinity (Identity/thematics), A conic Ability, a Tether-Touch effect, her karmatic Passive, 2 Mantras); why taking one of the last things away from her kit what really gives her some "free room" and "creativity" to use? On top of that its unqiue to Karma to Speedup and Shield minions (and it is somewhat something from her old Kit when she used to RE Minions to deal Damage In exchange for being vulnarable after that).

Sure some of the mentioned above may have been somewhat "clunky" (many thought tether touch is strange/unfitting etc.), but do we really need to remove the possibility to cast E on Minions?

It can be used in so many interesting ways while also asking the player to make a decision how and when to use it: E.g.If used on a Minion you obviously can not shield a Champion anymore/ possible waste the extra shield when using Minion cast to gain more range etc..

Also: *Trade Shield for Range (see above)/better aiming of RE

  • Use it speed up Minions/Pets *Push Waves *In theory if timed right a Minion could block a skillshot from the enemy or make the Minion just arrive in time to tank that turret for your ally
  • Use it to Shield Minions/Pets *Deny Farm with it

It shouldnt be removed really.

It seems it have become a Problem since her RE was buffed to heaven and made shield only. Seriously Riot as much as I love shields (and shields are by far one of my favorite mechanics) this is just not the path for Karma. Many just wish you would return to the Shield-Damaging RE version and nerf her Passive back.

I know its been a while but when you relaunched Karma you wrote:

> "We also liked how Karma could turn the tables on her opponents with abilities that provided defensive bonuses and had hidden offensive power."

> We had a bunch of guys work on some new directions, and trying to maintain the things that are actually good and important (the E shield and Mantra) ...

So PLEASE leave the Minion Shielding and invest more time to look into Karma to fix her actual Problems (rework?) when you can afford to.

9 Comments

IxtaliKing7/16/2016, 7:56:43 PM3 votes

Riot decided that it was more valuable to make Karma more of a generalist and (recklessly?) abandon her theme (duality), to make her more popular among people who never gave her the time of day before. They have (by force) made Karma a lot more popular by buffing her RE to astronomical levels and now they reckon they need to nerf her to allow other supports to shine in their precious LCS.

Riot has successfully made Karma more popular (particularly among the FOTM crowd) and I feel as if for quite some time that's what they've been aiming for, so why would they give a fuck what Karma's actual fans think? There's so few of us that they can just ignore us like they do and be cool about it.

It's gone past the point where we even need to critique her 5.10 changes or debate with the 'game health experts' who say her shield bomb was "op", the bottom line is, they have ruined Karma. It's not an opinion, whether some people prefer her now or not is irrelevant, it is what is. Riot had an interesting and unique concept that clearly resonated deeply with people, and instead of nurturing it they diluted and then finally destroyed it.

How many eloquent, thoughtful, insightful, constructive and well formatted threads have people like SilverSquid made that Riot has seemingly avoided? They just don't care, and now we're the ones who are expected to just suck it up or find a new champ :/.

Karbuncle7/16/2016, 6:32:03 PM1 votes

They want to nerf her cause she doesn't make LCS big plays,so they're going to nerf her,end of discussion.