Have you played him? He his now Garen all game. He no longer needs to get fed to be a scary threat all game. His non fed mid and late game is like current Garens fed mid and late game. Still is unkillable tanky and now does ton more damage.
KingofMonsters2 votesHe is Garen all game save for early game, where he needs it most.
CppL1 votesLook at the numbers.Passive nerfed ,Q nerfed ,W also nerfed ,E would be fine if not that stupid slow when you hit an enemy.i mean after like 2 ticks enemy just gonna walk away like nothing happened cause of that stupid slow.Not even talking about champs with mobility...IDK for me it"s more like a nerf than a rework.
kJs1 votesHe has a powerspike at six with its 1%health damage. If you previously died to the lane opponent.
His W is kinda shitty. Like it's just there for the sake of being there. Stack mechanics don't make it any more interesting. Should bring back its tenacity.
But yeah his E means he can't chase people without buying 
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For this very reason, Black Cleaver is a core item.
Arcane Azmadi1 votesMmm... no. I don't believe you. Sorry.
Critmaster Garen1 voteseven if hes just as strong as now, its not worth it.
because he simply is not as fun. they took a mechanic thats anoying and made it a 100 times worse by applying the slow to champions now. the changed w passive should have increased his build diversity, since it doesnt lock up 2 of his item slots for heavy resistance items. buit they fucked that over by removing his crit scaling and making one of his most versatile items - ghostblade - less effective on him in return.
old garen was never viable beyond gold rating, because he got kited too hard. even though he dealt even more damage than now.
what did he get out of it? slightly increased spin damage during his lategame. a buff that they should have just given him without the nerfs. and a gimmicky villain mechanic thats useless for the most part of the game, and extremely situational when it comes into play.
not.
worth.
youre fiddling with a champion whos fun to play and in a good spot balance wise, the chances that you screw him up are higher than having anything good come from it. that was what i feared from the start when i heared about him getting drastic changes.
Sasogwa1 votesSo he no longer scales with crit. His %armor/mr steroid, which actually made him a great tank lategame, has been removed in favour of flat armor/mr. His stickiness has been greatly reduced due to E seflslowing and tenacity removed. His base damage is around the same, but scales better with AD.
YAAAAAY, let's build full damage Garen and not hit anyone else than the tanks because you have 0 mobility. Ofc you're gonna kill that tank before the enemy backline kills you.
Oh wait...
And you have a TERRIBLE missconception of Garen. He's not that much of a lanebully. He's kinda average. He isn't a champion that needs to get fed to do his job. He scales not that badly, thanks to % steroid, % damage reduction, a bit of mobility , a nice silence. Want a lanebully top? Pick 
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Critmaster Garen1 votesok, theyre removing the self slow. good start.
apparantly he will deal less damage to multiple targets than a single target now. if his damage to multiple targets is about on par with what he does now, and the damage to a single target significantly increased, then its actually a positive change for him on the ability.
i still think the silence needs to go back up to at least 2 seconds.
and they should remove the maximum resistance per rank cap on his w. or otherwise his hard counters in lane are not just gonna push him around, but destroy him.
i can live with the change to the passive, but i want the crit scaling back so he keeps synergizing with certain items and his build pathes stay diverse.
they also should remove the attack range increase. its just as detrimental for his spin, as it helps him reaching someone with his q. there is no positive net gain from that change, but its takes up some of his power budget.
the same with the % true damage to his auto attacks against his mark. without a ghostblade hes going to auto even less than before. he really doesnt need this. and 1 % per attack doesnt make much of a difference. but it still takes up power budget that could be spent more useful.
Sasogwa1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AKj6MFRK,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-08-06T09:12:37.784+0000)
ok, theyre removing the self slow. good start.
apparantly he will deal less damage to multiple targets than a single target now. if his damage to multiple targets is about on par with what he does now, and the damage to a single target significantly increased, then its actually a positive change for him on the ability.
i still think the silence needs to go back up to at least 2 seconds.
and they should remove the maximum resistance per rank cap on his w. or otherwise his hard counters in lane are not just gonna push him around, but destroy him.
i can live with the change to the passive, but i want the crit scaling back so he keeps synergizing with certain items and his build pathes stay diverse.
they also should remove the attack range increase. its just as detrimental for his spin, as it helps him reaching someone with his q. there is no positive net gain from that change, but its takes up some of his power budget.
the same with the % true damage to his auto attacks against his mark. without a ghostblade hes going to auto even less than before. he really doesnt need this.
Damn I searched a bit and couldn't find the self slow remove. Could you provide me a link? Thx in advance :o
Critmaster Garen1 votesDamn I searched a bit and couldn't find the self slow remove. Could you provide me a link? Thx in advance :o
they also removed the per rank cap on the w. and gave him a mini leap like udyr on his bear stance attack on his q. its not what i would have done, but definitely an improvement.
so step 2 is complete.
step 3, look into buffing his silence back to 2 seconds at least.
SparrowPriest1 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXwzA9bqBac Garen didn't need this. However making his old kit more skill based would be good.
