So Singed is seeing pro play

FancyKiwi·Jan 21, 2017·94 votes·6,517 views

inb4 he gets nerfed

79 Comments

what you deserveJan 21, 201740 votes

how 2 singed

ayy lmao

that's it that's the guide

Velzard of KozJan 21, 20173 votes

Singed gameplay guide: Let me yolo a little

SEKAIJan 21, 201731 votes

"Hmmheheh--HAHAHAHAHAHAHA" - Singed Singed

EschetonJan 21, 201730 votes

He is seeing pro play because he can hold his own against Poppy. He isn't played like Singed. He is just a full tank initiator. Poppy gets banned? No Singed.

It's not about Singed, it's about the pick-ban meta and Poppy.

Tychusfindlay919Jan 21, 20174 votes

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He is seeing pro play because he can hold his own against Poppy. He isn't played like Singed. He is just a full tank initiator. Poppy gets banned? No Singed.

It's not about Singed, it's about the pick-ban meta and Poppy.

If it's because of poppy then we would see darius more.

Oh wait, we don't, and darius is getting nerfed still.

LOL

Troll for TrumpJan 21, 20172 votes

He's not wrong^

SH AzykanJan 21, 201712 votes

darius nerf is aimed at non competitive, because people cant punish him as hard with randoms as they can in a competitive environment. That is one thing singed has over darius in the matchup, it is a LOT harder to punish singed when you have a tank top vs him. The way you deal with him is to pick someone who has solo threat, which poppy does not. (or pick reksai and you both say fck it and proxy waves then you just do more later on) Funnily enough we haven't seen poppy flexed into the jungle/support roles just to absolutely ruin a singed pick by countering him with like a jayce

Spice POWAHJan 22, 20174 votes

wait, you mean this whole thing is another Support MissFortune situation?

And here I am thinking that Singed is actually meta now...

EschetonJan 22, 20171 votes

Exactly. Though admittedly, Singed is actually sorta meta. The 4 seals strat has made him strong enough in solo q that there are challenger Singed one tricks and he gets picked by non-onetricks in high elo now. Because he actually has an early game. Which with games being decided at the 10 minute mark, is quite nice.

morris1Jan 22, 20171 votes

~~People are somehow still playing MF support in normals.~~

EschetonJan 22, 20172 votes

Yeah, but have you tried it? It's hella fun.

Try a Varus-MF into a Ziggs-Zyra and you actually have a lane.

morris1Jan 22, 20172 votes

Problem is people in yoloq have no idea when to pick MF.

TheOneTrueBrandJan 21, 201721 votes

"We've noticed Singed is being overly oppressive recently, so in order to tone him back down Singed's movement speed will be reduced by 20% whenever he has his Q active, and enemies in the poison trail recieve a 20% speed buff, in order to add some counterplay to singed. Also the laugh on Singed's E has been removed."

General Esdeath Jan 21, 201723 votes

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Also the laugh on Singed's E has been removed."

NOW THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR

ChaddyFantomeJan 21, 20171 votes

Also the laugh on Singed's E has been removed."

Kalista'd

TheOneTrueBrandJan 21, 20172 votes

Sejuani'd*

weeaboomerJan 21, 20172 votes

who was never in the unplayable state that kalista and azir were.

TheOneTrueBrandJan 22, 20176 votes

During the Cinderhulk Debacle, her W damage was massively nerfed twice, then Cinderhulk itself was heavily nerfed, the item that made her OP in the first place, and after the item got nerfed sejuani was practically useless because her main damage source got gutted (the damage was LITERALLY halved) and she could no longer rely on Cinderhulk to carry her through the jungle, plus the jungle monsters because stronger, she was pretty much unplayable for a good while.

Gregor GysiJan 22, 20173 votes

A month after the Cinderhulk nerf a Rioter commented on the matter and said that they observed how she would do, but found that she performed just okay. Which was true, she still had a 50% winrate (and normal avg. games played, so it wasn't only Sejuani mains who played her) and a decent although not big playrate. Comparing her to champions who hit rock bottom <40% is just unfair.

TheOneTrueBrandJan 22, 20171 votes

That is a full MONTH after, which means 2 patches and changes to many things including jungle, items and champions. Sejuani had to switch from going Cinderhulk to going the AP jungle item just to have average clear speeds, and her build varied massively into more of an AP heavy bruiser instead of a tanky build like she was before the nerf.

That is what riot said made her fine, because her (and many other tanks that relied on Cinderhulk) started abusing the AP jungle item so they then removed and replaced it, FINALLY buffing sejuani (and others) back up just enough to be viable with Cinderhulk again.

Right when it first happened Sejuani WAS in the gutter, and riot simply said it was fine to keep her weak because, and I quote, "she had her time to shine"

Gregor GysiJan 22, 20171 votes

Sejuani still didn't drop to Kalista level and frankly, being somewhat weak for 1 month is not bad.

LegitBacon66Jan 21, 201716 votes

Have to buff lee sin to compensate

Spice POWAHJan 22, 20175 votes

make sure to add 5 paragraphs worth of passives!

Irelia BotJan 21, 20179 votes

item 1082 Make this limited to one and that should do a lot to deal with Singed.

resumedJan 21, 20171 votes

make its passive not stack and reduce its sell % to that of the dorans items

fixed

TequilaZombieJan 21, 20178 votes

The passive is not stackable. What you wanna go for is for the better healing from potions!

resumedJan 21, 20171 votes

last i checked the healing from potions was a passive o_O??

Meep ManJan 21, 20178 votes

No, it's shown similarly to a stat than a Passive. You could call it a Passive, but it's not listed as one.

TequilaZombieJan 21, 20172 votes

The passive is the extra AP on kill/assist. The extra healing is basicly another stat.

SpoofghoulJan 21, 20176 votes

Rito be like

Singed is seeing a lot of play with a good winrate and he has had his time in the spotlight. But rather then just nerfing him we wanted to try a different approach this time. Singed - 5 movespeed

But as compensation we are buffing Lee Sin

10 movespeed

Dragon's Rage COOLDOWN: ~~90 / 75 / 60~~ 9 / 7,5 / 6

Jerry SeinfeIdJan 21, 20175 votes

"It's nearly time."

Hope to see him more but it might be better to get him out of pro play before he actually gets nerfed.

EmollientNut0Jan 22, 20175 votes

Shen I Shen wouldn't Shen know Shen anything Shen about Shen that Shen

CowseedJan 21, 20174 votes

I saw a fiora ban as well. I give it a month before circle jerks and nerf-bomb request pop up.

Also Fizz.

DeusVultJan 21, 20173 votes

Fiora is a strong champ, but I'd be fine with her if her Q cd got changed so that the CD was higher at all levels, something like 16/15/14/13/12 seconds, but got reduced by 80% for hitting an enemy champion. And It also cannot go over walls.

Fiora is now now longer as annoying as another champ with spam mobility (cough Yasuo cough)

420 gramsJan 21, 20172 votes

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Fiora is a strong champ, but I'd be fine with her if her Q cd got changed so that the CD was higher at all levels, something like 16/15/14/13/12 seconds, but got reduced by 80% for hitting an enemy champion. And It also cannot go over walls.

Fiora is now now longer as annoying as another champ with spam mobility (cough cough)

But fiora has to work for her damage and use her mobility to get the damage off. It's much harder to hit a vital than to hit a yasuo q

MVDuneCatsJan 21, 20174 votes

But will we see Singed Support in pro play?

Zone of EndlessJan 22, 20174 votes

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But will we see Singed Support in pro play?

singed support with smite i might add.

YalathanilJan 22, 20174 votes

Is singed just the AP version of Poppy ?

item 3027 + item 3116 + item 3151 = loads of HP and items that synergise with your kit

Meep ManJan 22, 20171 votes

Not exactly, but if you look at in an incredibly basic way, yeah

JasiwelJan 22, 20173 votes

Not exactly. He requires more strategy and a good bit of knowledge to make work against good players, not to mention how Proxy-strats are the bread and butter to his strengths. He can only displace targets, not stun them (his Fling vs Poppy's E), and he cannot manually stop someone from gapclosing (which is a huge strength for Poppy). Poppy also has an AoE knock-up with her Ultimate, a slow with her Q, and can gain a lot of Shields for mitigation.

Singed has to rely on being able to run through and around targets, hoping they follow or cannot escape him. His Fling is good, and so is his AoE Goo ability, but he's super predictable and coordinated teams (Especially high ELO) can deal with that easier than others. His laning is also conditional; if he can Proxy the enemy Top Laner into babysitting the tower then he's going to be fine, but some Top laners can ignore that and straight annihilate Singed or even TP bottom lane for heavier impact overall.

SithesisLordJan 22, 20171 votes

not to mention how Proxy-strats are the bread and butter to his strengths.

But not always recommended. A Singed shouldn´t ever proxy a Nasus.

EschetonJan 22, 20171 votes

Actually, with how short games are these days. Proxy and roam to impact other lanes is actually better. Just let Nasus stack, the game will be over by the time he gets enough to feel comfortable moving.

YalathanilJan 25, 20171 votes

FYI: if an enemy that is flung lands in his goo they are stuned

Otherwise all your points are good. Singed isn't a true faceroll tank, but he naturally has a high amount of survivablilty while still doing damage

JasiwelJan 26, 20171 votes

Yeah, I know about the snare, but it's not easy to land and I didn't consider it reliable enough to include when comparing him to Poppy.

OyddAWqJ5rJan 23, 20173 votes

Singed has been doing too well recently, so we decided to shift some of his power away from simply clicking on enemies every few seconds for free displacement to something more team-oriented, giving him a reason to group up.

Singed Fling Who's laughing now? - Fling can no longer be cast on enemies I'm Singed I'm helping - Can now only be used on allies, allowing Singed to potentially make LC$BIGPLAYS but still damages them and even roots them if he flings them into his goo. No free flights. (He still laughs too btw)

However we like Fling as an ability so instead we added it to Lee Sin.

LeeSin Resonating Strike WeatRiotGamesdontplayfavorites - Now flings the target behind Lee Sin after kicking them, allowing more fluid transitions into Dragon Rage instead of forcing him to wasting vision tools to make this play.

ChaddyFantomeJan 21, 20172 votes

My boi the mad chemist on the big stage? Is this backwards land?

AnidanJan 21, 20172 votes

Give it long enough and madness will reign. What comes with the reign of madness? Heimer picks in competitive! HEIMER PICKS!

ADC5LUTJan 22, 20171 votes

anyone got a link to the game?

FancyKiwiJan 22, 20172 votes

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anyone got a link to the game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrONfSn3XIY&t=104s

First game he was in this season competitively

ADC5LUTJan 22, 20171 votes

ty ty