Lethality and Armor Pen needs to do it's job

Yuvn Ti··1 votes·1,163 views

People are complaining about the Tank Meta and have been, and with the mage changes, and the changes to the jungle and the adc nerfs, people are obviously gonna look at the only thing left. This is something they need to do

Make armor penetration and lethality do it's job

I'm not sure how they would do this, but hear me out. Tanks build armor versus AD Champions. the flaw with this is that armor pen and lethality makes you deal more damage to squishies because it's a flat rate. IMO they should replace all lethality items to a flat % total armor pen, balanced of course. example:

let's just use this as an example, too lazy to crack up the actual specific numbers

if you have 50 lethality, and it ignores 50 armor, an adc with 70 armor is only going to have 20. that makes you do WAY more dmg to that player. if you have 50 lethality, and it ignores 50 armor, a tank with 300 armor is going to have 250. that's still a LOT of armor.

The job of armor penetration is to penetrate armor. that's what the name literally means. here's my proposal"

instead of having 50 lethality, how about have 30% armor penetration?

if you have 30% armor penetration, an adc with 70 armor will only go down to around 46-47 armor. You'll do a little bit more but not much. if you have 30% armor penetration, a tank with 300 armor will have 200, which is significantly more.

Yes, tanks are a little dumb right now, and they get broken down pretty quickly by adc's with crit currently. They're fixing that. But it makes no sense to have duskblade, youmuu's, and edge of night and 2 shot a marksmen, and have very little damage difference versus a tank that's actually building armor. The point of ARMOR PENETRATION is to PENETRATE ARMOR.

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woodvsmurph4 votes

There's a reason it's called lethality. Because it's lethal... to squishies. It's not meant for killing tanky targets - that's what last whisper item(s) and cleaver are for. Lethality is for ad assassins; just because other champs jack the items for their own use doesn't mean it should be reworked to cater to them. That's like saying i.e. should be reworked to be less dependent on other items because some talon or zed starts using it in their build and doesn't make good use of zeal items to give them proper crit chance.

What you propose about last whisper item - making it total armor pen - is what is happening in the coming adc patch. Only, this makes it far more deadly to squishies now, not just to tanks. And I don't know where you've been, but we are hardly in a tank meta. And any tank meta we've been in is largely due to the fact that every other role on the rift is about enabling adc's in 95% of cases. Which means that squishier bruisers and fighters aren't played top (in place of tanks) because their slightly increased damage compared to what a tank offers is far outweighed by their lower durability in teamfights and inability to splitpush effectively enough to enforce a 4-1 or 1-3-1 except for a scarce few. And the lack of durability of even TANKY bruisers is due... to adc damage being far too high and peeling too strong to reward opponents for getting say 2 champs to try to dive on and delete an adc. Like when vi came out, she and a toplane bruiser or midlane assassin were able to dive through an enemy frontline, lock down an adc, and pop them unless they got cleansed/qss'd out of vi's ult. Now if you try that, chances are the adc lives whether or not they cleanse, and the two champs that dove end up dying. And fyi, if things were properly balanced, fighters and bruisers would be perfectly capable of dealing with tanks and still making formidable frontliners themselves. But instead, we've had 3rd person csgo or cod for the better part of a year now. You don't even see tanks going sunfire in the pro scene - because that's how little their damage matters. They skip any damage to gain slightly more durability because other than adc's, everyone's damage is largely irrelevant. If you're an ap burst mage or an ad assassin, you can't even burst someone unless you are fed even though your target is caught out of position.

Tahminatrix 3 votes

lethality is supposed to kill squishies wtf? you want assassins to kill everything?

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