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The state of MF in 5.14

Leu07··2 votes·861 views

I think the "rework" left her in a bad spot, the buildpath on her is weird and its all over the place now....you must build BT to have a shield and kite ppl with your strut and not suffer from minion taking it away, but then teamfights begins and since you dont have IE, it feels like you dont have damage....so you build IE, but then you dont have AS....so you build AS but then you dont have armor penetration...etc etc...while the other adc builds IE some vampiric scepter and Zeal, and it may helps them through mid game....with MF you cannot do that, since her passive and her w ask you to build life steal/damage on her.

The strut doesnt scale with lvl, like they told in her announcement...I dont know if this is a bug or it is supposed to be in this way, they didnt say nothing about it.

Other thing is her Q, last hitting with it to have the 150% damage on the other adc or enemy and of course the enemy is not behind any last hit minion...so her early laning power/bully is gone or well not gone but its harder to do it....in teamfights it useless, before she always hit 150% of her damage.

Her w feels weaker....it should scale...6% of her AD damage as bonus magic damage all the game becomes nothing if they build some MR, since it doesnt benefits from armor penetration....and lower the stacks you need, the girl only have 550 of range and no mobility...is a lie that youre going to reach the 8 stacks....plus I found myself pressing W to have even more MS....not AS...because the steroid of the AS is just so meh....before Ive pressed it for the GW.

Her e....should not have a cast time....even more now, that it last 2 seconds.

And her ult....should have a AD scale, I mean is not like they cannot dodge MF ult, or just jump to her while she is ulting...and like a said the girl only have 550 of range and no mobility...is a lie that youre going to reach the 8 stacks, to do 48% of you AD as magic damage....and if you start with it to have that stacks of impure....then why is that called an ultimate? her e should stack impure shots not her ultimate....I only used it to farm minions waves post lvl 14....and its sad.

I dont know if this is happening just to me, because of the lag or idk (I play in lan with 60 of ping in na usually my ping is like 150) but her new aa is weird I find myself canceling my aa because I press to move around...and the aa is not done....that never happened to me with the other MF.

She feels...generic to play....and I feel she doesnt bring much to the table...I mean why play her? because of her damage? her aoe damage? her movement speed?...I feel jinx, kalista, tristana, corki, ashe, sivir, graves, draven, lucian, caitlyn do that job and its safer, and more rewarding...and you dont just start falling off once you hit lvl 6.

Sorry for the long rant, but MF is my favorite champion....and sorry for the typos.

13 Comments

Aeolian Melodies3 votes

Idk where they keep trying to make Strut relevant. It's a shit passive useful only for getting back to lane faster. Having it be re-activated by her W is meaningless, you activate W to trade, in a trade the enemy hits you off Strut anyway. Just scrap her passive entirely and give her something useful.

Back then she had a place because she was kinda unique as the AoE damage ADC, now we have Jinx Lucian Graves Kalista (with item 3085 ) that do it just as well, AND without being sitting ducks as they're doing it.

Marthian1 votes

It also lets her roam between lanes, makes it very difficult to land a skillshot on her, reposition quickly, and run away if they aren't able to land another damage skill on you.

She still has a devastating AoE ult. Just have to position for it and know when to use it vs auto attacking.

Hochelaga2 votes

Seriously ? Have you guys actually tried her several times before jumping to the conclusion?

I've played 5 diamond ranked games with MF since her rework and I've won them all.

Reason why people spit on MF's passive. --- it doesnt do anything during a teamfight **Strut is meant to allow her to roam effectively on the map AND to avoid skill shots more easily. She has the highest movement speed of any champion because of that. Don't expect to have that extra movespeed during a teamfight.

Miss Fortune's Q does an extra 150% for the second shot if the first target is killed. However the bounce range is significantly reduced This is a major buff for her. Even though the bounce range has been reduced, you can easily hit a target for over 400 damage for under 50 mana. If you don't call this bullying, I don't know what you want from her

Miss Fortune's W now activates strut on activation, but grievous wounds has been removed. So the grievous wound removed is annoying you ? As far as I can remember, Tristana had that effect on her E before. She still kicks ass. Besides, that W increases her attack speed by 60% and the passive also stacks with her Ultimate. W now activates her passive which is incredible. If a champion is attacking you while you're activating it, then you are actually fighting him. DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE THAT EXTRA MOVESPEED DURING A TEAMFIGHT

Finally, her E has increased slow during early level, activates faster and last 1 second less. This is actually so good that I max this after my Q now. The slow during early game is so good when the ennemy team has no boots and the damage is dealt faster.

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Aeolian Melodies1 votes

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Reason why people spit on MF's passive. --- it doesnt do anything during a teamfight **Strut is meant to allow her to roam effectively on the map AND to avoid skill shots more easily. She has the highest movement speed of any champion because of that. Don't expect to have that extra movespeed during a teamfight. **

Janna laugh

btw your shit passive that gets taken away by minions likely won't give you mad skills to dodge the skillshot of death

Hochelaga1 votes

Well maybe I don't expect you to do it in your division. As long as she hasn't taken any damage because of shields she got (barrier, BT, JANNA's shield) strut won't be canceled. Get a bloodthirster, problem solves for minions or monsters canceling her movespeed.

Tails Doll1 votes

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Seriously ? Have you guys actually tried her several times before jumping to the conclusion?

I've played 5 diamond ranked games with MF since her rework and I've won them all.

Reason why people spit on MF's passive. --- it doesnt do anything during a teamfight **Strut is meant to allow her to roam effectively on the map AND to avoid skill shots more easily. She has the highest movement speed of any champion because of that. Don't expect to have that extra movespeed during a teamfight.

Miss Fortune's Q does an extra 150% for the second shot if the first target is killed. However the bounce range is significantly reduced This is a major buff for her. Even though the bounce range has been reduced, you can easily hit a target for over 400 damage for under 50 mana. If you don't call this bullying, I don't know what you want from her

Miss Fortune's W now activates strut on activation, but grievous wounds has been removed. So the grievous wound removed is annoying you ? As far as I can remember, Tristana had that effect on her E before. She still kicks ass. Besides, that W increases her attack speed by 60% and the passive also stacks with her Ultimate. W now activates her passive which is incredible. If a champion is attacking you while you're activating it, then you are actually fighting him. DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE THAT EXTRA MOVESPEED DURING A TEAMFIGHT

Finally, her E has increased slow during early level, activates faster and last 1 second less. This is actually so good that I max this after my Q now. The slow during early game is so good when the ennemy team has no boots and the damage is dealt faster.

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I've like 20 games or something with new MF. Feel kinda shitty, will rather play something like Jinx. And MF and Jinx are my fav ADCs, so.

Hochelaga1 votes

Checked your profile, and you actually played 7 games with her since the rework. Also, I can barely see any ranked games you got with MF. As I can see in your profile, games you won with her are smashing victories. your losing scores are also low.

So, why are you winning so hard with her ? why are you losing so hard with her ? What feels shitty ?

Tails Doll2 votes

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Checked your profile, and you actually played 7 games with her since the rework. Also, I can barely see any ranked games you got with MF. As I can see in your profile, games you won with her are smashing victories. your losing scores are also low.

So, why are you winning so hard with her ? why are you losing so hard with her ? What feels shitty ?

Uh i could have sworn I got more, maybe it has not loaded yet man.

First of, remember is normal, so I'm not sure how legit it can be to demolish a first time vayne lol.

Well basically I feel like she is still a very counter pick type of champ. And her laning relies in sooo many factors that are out of her control.

Her second Q cast dmg IT'S AWESOME, but it's really hard to pull off, plus is very easy to know when you are going to do it. Her team fight is really meh. Relies too much on her ult and the enemy team grouping and having someone like leo/alist/mumu to keep them in their place for a little while.

Honestly my problem with her it's that she feels meh. I love her, I love her secret agent skin, I truly love playing with her, but I feel like she is a "when the stars align" type of champ. And even then it would prob be better to pick someone like jinx.

That's her problem, she has too much competition in her niche. Need AoE dmg? Jinx does it better. Need bully potential? Jinx/Cait/Trist much better and safer. Need to split push? Sivir will prob do a better job, and her ult and shield makes up for her lack of escapes.

SHE IS FUN. I have tons of fun playing her, I LOVE taking an ADC 1/4 hp with one Q dmg, I love her poke I love her. I just dont see myself picking her if I want to win, or atleast not very often :S

Also I have problems with her build paths.

Her Q doesnt work with Crits. Her R scales with both AD and AP (AP From ult, AD from W), her E scales with AP, and her W with AD but deals magic dmg, plus having a shield is awesome.

So the problem is, you rush IE? Or BT? If you rish IE then you never have passive. If you rush BT you lack IE crit dmg. But the thing is she is more of a caster, so you dont relay that much on AA's.

Basically I still cant find her ideal build path. So far I think BT>Boots>Ghostblade>IE/LW>PD/LW/IE>Either more dmg or some def.

BT into Ghostblade works really well with her passive and W. The bonus ms from ghostblade makes her uncachable, and she usees the armor pen and AS and AD really well. Plus since her job is to be a lane bully and to roam alot, mid game the sustain and the 6 seg where she has godlike AS really helps her out. Then you build the IE/PD/LW combo for late game DPS. I think that's her most ideal build path but still testing :D

EDIT: they also lied about her passive scaling on lvl. Shame on rito.

Leu071 votes

{quoted}

Seriously ? Have you guys actually tried her several times before jumping to the conclusion?

I've played 5 diamond ranked games with MF since her rework and I've won them all.

Reason why people spit on MF's passive. --- it doesnt do anything during a teamfight **Strut is meant to allow her to roam effectively on the map AND to avoid skill shots more easily. She has the highest movement speed of any champion because of that. Don't expect to have that extra movespeed during a teamfight.

Miss Fortune's Q does an extra 150% for the second shot if the first target is killed. However the bounce range is significantly reduced This is a major buff for her. Even though the bounce range has been reduced, you can easily hit a target for over 400 damage for under 50 mana. If you don't call this bullying, I don't know what you want from her

Miss Fortune's W now activates strut on activation, but grievous wounds has been removed. So the grievous wound removed is annoying you ? As far as I can remember, Tristana had that effect on her E before. She still kicks ass. Besides, that W increases her attack speed by 60% and the passive also stacks with her Ultimate. W now activates her passive which is incredible. If a champion is attacking you while you're activating it, then you are actually fighting him. DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE THAT EXTRA MOVESPEED DURING A TEAMFIGHT

Finally, her E has increased slow during early level, activates faster and last 1 second less. This is actually so good that I max this after my Q now. The slow during early game is so good when the ennemy team has no boots and the damage is dealt faster.

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Yeah I have played her several times..mf is my most played champion in my main acc...since season 2, old mf, mf with cleaver, mf rework, and this mf ...thats why Im ranting, whats your build path on her?....im not being salty or anything...Im looking for good feedback and to improve my game with her, because she feels really different.

Passive: my only complain of the passive if that they said that is was going to scale now...I really enjoy this passive, and its a passive that makes MF unique...but I feel it should be reworked to a skill since they are pushing MF to work based on her ms...for example it would make more sense that her W was called strut..and that impure passive was her passive.

Q: she used to always hit her 150% damage...you didnt need to kill a target to have access to that, so its a nerf, she used to bullied harder. Her mana cost where big thanks to that, then they rework her and it was still good, but they nerfed it now...her laning phase is not the same you must build her laning phase based on her strut. Its a diferent champion...and the bounce range wasnt nerf it was the angle...before it was 100 angle now its 60...but the range its the same.

W: no GW removal is not bothering me....you can activate strut and if you have BT or a support that gives you a constant shield aka janna, lulu, karma...is good since you can kite and all that stuff...but if you dont its feels weird...minions take it off and yes she have 60% of attack speed but you dont max w first....and come on when W is maxed you must already have some attack speed on you and it doesnt feel different...its not like you have tristana,jinx demolish tower power.

The amount of stacks you need for impure to have an impact is really huge for a 550 range champion and if you reach 8 stacks in a trade then you must not have any ad power since the other champion should be dead...plus the flat % on her damage is easily mitigated by mr...and since you dont build magic pen its hard.

E: yes the slow its better in early, in late you dont used it....you must wait 0.5 seconds in range while they are coming for you in a spell that last 2 seconds so its actually slow for 1.5 seconds....plus the damage is never outstanding and it not like varus slow that sticks to you even if youre out of the area of damage.....make it rain have saved me from ganks in lanes, thanks to the slow, and strut. But in mid-late game never, ever, in my life that spell have saved me XD.

thanks for the feedback...and sorry for the typos.

Hochelaga1 votes

Her passive : I have nothing to say. Strut adds a flat 70 movespeed which is huge. If that would scale, I feel it would be too strong. Riot may have been right to not scale it

her Q : If you played her since season 2, you would know that her Q used to cost 90 mana at rank 5, now it literally cost half less SCALES BETTER AT LATE GAME. don't believe me ? here's some math for you (BTW, NO, it never dealt 150% extra damage before)

Here are the old stats for her Q : Damage to first target 20 / 35 / 50 / 65 / 80 (+85% AD) Damage to second target 40 / 70 / 100 / 130 / 160 (+100 % AD)

Let's say you have a 300 base damage for this example.

with the old Q, she would do 80 + (300 * 0,85) = 335 to the first target she would do 160 + (300 * 1,00) = 460 to the second target

with the new Q, she would do 80 + (300 * 0,85) = 335 to the first target she would do 335 * 1,5 = 502,50 to the second target

her W : I don't get it why you would say that 60% bonus attack speed would feel nothing on Miss Fortune. She has in my opinion the best starting stats for any adc. If you don't have any support that gives you a shield, then simply get bloodthirster. Problem solved.

her E : Her E was never meant to do damage. It SLOWS an AREA for 60%. The old E took her 1 full second to release the bullets, now it takes 0,5 second and THE AREA LASTS FOR 2 SECOND NOT 1,5

Hochelaga1 votes

Btw I just tested her on game again. her Q keeps the same stats damage PLUS the 150% extra damage. Which is totally a buff.

If we take my old example (the 300 base damage)

With the new Q, she would do 80 + (300 x 0,85) = 335 to the first target she would do 160 + (300 x 1,00) = 460 to the second target

IF the first target dies, then the second target would actually get 460 x 1,50 = 690 damage

Mega Annie X2 votes

W fix. Strut is now active while attack speed buff is active for full duration.

New passive - Half of MF's magic or physical penetration is converted to the other penetration. Now she will scale atleast half good

Marthian1 votes

item 3031 , item 3006 before or after, item 3046 , then either item 3072 if they lack armor and you are really ahead or item 3035 if they have armor/a bit behind, then the other, then last item is a tossup.

Optional: Vampiric Sceptre for sustain.

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