Top 50 Challenger Can Duo

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AE7q6rRq,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-04-10T12:06:24.717+0000)

that's a smurfing problem, not a solo duoQ problem. and honestly it's not relevant in high challenger.

yes cuz god forbid you add someone to your team who can work with people, you're much better off with some guy who plays 1v9.

Anyone in Challenger has to be able to work together or they wouldn't have climbed that high. Even solo players way below Challenger can't just play solo if they want to be successful. Part of being a great solo player is exactly understanding the needs of each player and role so that they can make the best plays (they'd check everyone's there for a teamfight engage, the status of sums, ultimates, items etc.) It's silly to act like this is some magical skill available only when duoing. In fact, someone who duos needs to work with his team LESS not more. They can just focus on working with the duo instead. SQ is supposed to be the format depending most on adaptability to new conditions with identical general parameters over large samples and duoing takes away form that. It's like labelling a jar "best cookies" and throwing a few lemons randomly in it. They don't measure the same thing.

Duoing is mostly an abuse strategy at these brackets. They don't duo at top 10 only for a fun game. They have other accounts for that. I don't think there's a single player in Challenger with a single account. Duoing creates a non-reproducible situation even over large samples and it's impossible for it to be 100% fair to those who don't duo. There aren't even enough players in top Challenger for the system to really understand the most accurate MMR handicaps. At least the top 50-100 players in the world for SQ should actually be solo.

The reason I care isn't because I'm going to be Challenger. It's because I think it hurts the game's standing and image among competitive players. It's something that may be attractive short term but is bad long-term.

I read it as 'it's not a game of 5 solo players vs 5 solo players trying to fuck around and do their own thing, it's a game of two teams of five who are supposed to work together to win'.

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You are right, but on the otherhand it is NOT

1+1+1+1+1 vs 1+4 1+1+1+2 vs 2+3 1+2+2 vs 5 1+1+3 vs 2+3 1+4 vs 1+1+3

or any combination of the above. even though it ACTUALLY is, but whatever

It needs to be known that not everyone likes partnering up, OR their computer/internet doesn't do well with voice. For instance if I open up ANY kind of voice whether it be discord or built into league, and I go into a match. It is literally unplayable. The cursor lags, my cs is awful, my fighting is awful because my champion is lagging sometimes a FULL second behind where I click. Sure I can just not have voice in a team, but I can't relay the same messages through chat/pings that I can through voice.

I actually hope they never add voice to the general game. It would force me to use it so as to not be at a disadvantage. The chat would slowly be ignored by people so you'd be at a serious communication disadvantage. It would become de facto eventually. Moreover, it would hurt people who don't speak English well and may bias the team vs those with different accents, vs young, vs old, etc. There would probably be more tangential useless information too instead of the conciseness of regular chat.

It's good that they added it for duos though because it was even harder to estimate the appropriate MMR penalty when only some duos bothered to use voice. Now, probably more do - which is scary but also more consistent.

This is quite a good argument.