Why are Jhin's W and R coded as single targeted when they damage multiple enemies?

AP Ezreal is OP·7/8/2016, 5:06:04 AM·14 votes·3,733 views

There is no reason why they should be coded as single targeted when they hit multiple enemies (including minions)

At least, code them like Karthus' Q, so they're single targeted only if they strike one enemy champion (and not minions).

This just makes Deathfire Touch ridiculous on Jhin due to not only gaining huge amounts of AD, but also the fact that he has so many ways to fully proc the 6 seconds burn.

That is my only concern about him.

39 Comments

D3m37r17/8/2016, 5:14:45 AM12 votes

Those abilities can hit multiple minions but only a single champion. So vs minions it counts as aoe.

SaltyKracka7/8/2016, 5:08:01 AM12 votes

They...don't hit multiple champions.

Omnem Occido7/8/2016, 5:11:19 AM7 votes

When factoring it in, his W and R do only hit one CHAMPION, which is the only way you can proc DFT (doesn't work on minions).

blfUvZ8Ybu7/8/2016, 5:29:56 AM4 votes

Jhin's kit is overloaded.

Aniela7/8/2016, 12:18:52 PM3 votes

Because those abilities only hit one champion (per shot on ult), and DFT only procs on champions. The change you're calling for doesn't really make sense considering the effect has no real effect on minions, not to mention it wouldn't overall change much outside of laning phase I guess? Come teamfights those abilities won't be hitting much if any minions.

Bârd7/8/2016, 10:48:04 AM3 votes

Because each shot can only hit one champion.

IGII27/8/2016, 10:57:40 AM3 votes

They count as AoE spell for the purposes of spell vamp and item 3116 when hitting minions, they count as single target spells vs champions because they stop on the first enemy champion hit. Actually, more spells are coded like this, some spells count as single target if they manage to hit only one target (although they are still able to hit multiple).

It's there to prevent enormous spell vamp by hitting dozens of minions with your ult / W (in case you build item 3812 / item 3146 ) while still allowing things like Deathfire touch appealing to Jhin. If Jhin ever becomes meta champion and Riot needs to nerf him, this is one of the possible ways to siphon some of his "hidden" (as the Riot likes to call it) power.

Astôlfo7/8/2016, 2:11:47 PM1 votes

Because it is single target? This thread is pointless.

Also people crying about Jhin is fucking hilarious.

Michael7027/8/2016, 5:43:02 AM1 votes

I faced a Jhin top. He kept stacking his traps. Any time I tried to engage, he would just run to his traps.

Quepha7/8/2016, 5:45:29 AM1 votes

Probably a combination of it looking like the abilities could really go either way in their definition of being single target or AoE and EVERY OTHER KEYSTONE FEELS LIKE CRAP ON JHIN (except stormraider's)

blfUvZ8Ybu7/8/2016, 5:49:40 AM1 votes

Salty adc mains everywhere.

MunchCrunchLunch7/8/2016, 6:15:32 AM1 votes

so that they can say that "Deathfire touch" does damage.

seriously. his ult. is 4 shots. each of them. hit multiple minions. sure 1 enemy. but 1 ult hits. 4 people. lucian ultimate. can never. hit 2 champions at once. at the same time. its coded as AOE.

THE ONLY REASON JHIN ULT AND W CODED AS SINGLE TARGET IS TO PRETEND THAT DFT ISN'T TRASH

when you have a single case where something standard goes abnormal. its done for an abnormal reason and thats reason is what i provided. riot doesn't want to show that a mastery keystone i useless. there are a cpl champions outside jhin that use death fire. however. the mastery itself does no signiificant damage. I mean with a 1k ap veigar ult . I barely. barely kill a target because of dft when they have like. no healthbar visible left. the mastery does so little damage and making it over time is too weak with all the sustain options we get in the game nowdays.

graves ult. is coded as aoe. despite the first part of the explosion. hitting one champion. and the latter part being aoe.

go ahead build full ad. i mean 5 . 75 ad items varus. and use dft and Q someone. the damage you will see. is UNNOTICEABLE. it takes 600+ ad (of jhin). and cheated abilities ti maximize its damage. (single target) for death fire touch to do any damage. no champion gets that much ad and no ad ranged champ thas that much ranged single target damage

with 1k ap. my veigar ult is doing an extra. 256 magic damage over time. single target. maximum damage possible.

with 1k ap if i proc thunderlords it will do 280 damage.

dft is pure trash

CaptnJakSparrow7/8/2016, 1:08:15 PM1 votes

This is why nobody listens to Gameplay and Bronze.

Out of the 1,000s of post made each day. None of them ever have anything worthwhile to say regarding balance.

It is a single target spell. None of his spells except Q and E damage multiple champions. Thus, they are all single target.

frankly this thread should just be deleted.

Keep ur Jhin up7/8/2016, 1:31:40 PM1 votes

I'm confused. Whats wrong with his W and ult passing through minions?