New Draft Feedback Can we have a "But not this role" button if we pick primary Fill?

Valiant Yordle·Jan 15, 2016·223 votes·5,995 views

As it is, in the new draft pick, if you pick Fill as your primary role, you aren't given a second button/choice at all. Instead of having no second button, you could make it so that you have a caveat button, which lets you choose the one role that you don't really want to play right now.

It's really frustrating for me, who pretty much always is happy in soloque to fill any role but marksman, to have to choose two roles specifically, because if I select fill, there's a chance I'll end up on Marksman, feed, and likely get flamed.

My friend was complaining about it because he played a jungle game and did really, really poorly, so he wanted to play a different role. Any different role. He picked fill, thinking "oh, it probably won't put me in the same position again, and I really like filling".

It did.

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

73 Comments

GhastlyGhoulManJan 15, 201611 votes

Yeah I can pretty much fill any role... except jungle...[zombie-nunu-bummed]

Lithium RosaJan 15, 20163 votes

Saaaaaaaaaame

ZtokaJan 15, 20169 votes

The whole point of being "fill" is to be the one role no one wants. If you really don't want to play a certain role, well, queue up for the two you really want to do. Fill is for those who don't care what role they play. Not for those who are ok playing 4 of 5 roles.

GooberpJan 15, 201623 votes

{quoted}

The whole point of being "fill" is to be the one role no one wants. If you really don't want to play a certain role, well, queue up for the two you really want to do. Fill is for those who don't care what role they play. Not for those who are ok playing 4 of 5 roles.

But if we allow 4/5 for those players, matchmaking times will be reduced as more people will click "Fill". The only thing stopping myself, for instance, from selecting "Fill" is that I can't jungle my way out of a paper bag. If I could pick "not jungle" then what's the harm?

KnoyleJan 16, 20161 votes

I like all roles but ADC. I have a go to ADC Twitch but I really only like playing him because of his character. The VO, the personality, etc. But what probably what relates me the most to him is when he says things like

"Shooting's easy! Aiming's hard..."

because honestly I can out of all the roles I have the worst score with it's ADC. I'm just horrid at it and even when i made this clear in blindpick they demand I do it and I either get carried by my support or by stupid opponents or get beaten all over bot lane like a ragdoll for a good 15 minutes and end up doing Angel soft toilet paper roll damage the rest of the game.

yoniameJan 16, 20161 votes

i kind of hate playing adcs also, just using basic attacks isn't flashy and can be quite boring. So far i only like Varus because of his mage like aspect

ObericJan 16, 20164 votes

I'm in the same boat. I love supporting and mid, my ADC is usually solid, and my top is decent. But my jungle is not practiced enough.

If I could queue like I used to, I'd pick primary support, secondary fill, but not jungle.

Meanie40Jan 16, 20168 votes

This was one of the more commented suggestions when it first was unveiled. Unfortunately, their "solution" is "you have to pick two, but change them up from game to game."

I'd love to be able to pick "fill !adc" myself.

Tarans BuddyJan 15, 20167 votes

Riot pls

ParcevalJan 16, 20167 votes

They just should let you pick between 1-5 options. Sometimes I want to play one, sometimes 3, sometimes 4, sometimes 2. I WANT CHOICE.

DeathBurstJan 16, 20163 votes

Just 1 shouldn't be allowed. I know I'll be downvoted for saying that, but still... The risk it increases Queue times by too much is too great.

TOXlC SUMMONERJan 16, 20161 votes

It would be the same timer as finding players for a team builder game. I don't see the problem.

My gf hates LoLJan 16, 20163 votes

which was long as fuck

DeathBurstJan 17, 20161 votes

Exactly, that's the problem.

FistOfSharkieshaJan 16, 20165 votes

They should allow the preferences to be toggled to "anything but"s. This way if you had 1-2 roles you suck at or just don't like, you could fill for everything but those roles. Also would allow you to pick 1 role you wanted and 1 role you don't.

BlurryJan 16, 20161 votes

Exactly.

I feel like i'm only limited to playing only two roles in this mode. I can play both solo lanes comfortably and my primary role is jungle. But anything bot lane is my nightmare. I'd like to be able to pick fill anything but bot lane. I wouldn't mind playing a bot lane every once in a while. Also if you pick fill and get a lane you just dont want to play there is no leave room button like teambuilder, so you will get punished 6+ minutes.

The only thing this mode encourages is players only knowing how to play 2 roles when everyone should be competent playing every role. Don't limit our choices and experience Rito!

Leo2k5Jan 16, 20165 votes

This was pretty much my first thought as well. Like I'm fine filling any role except mid, I'm absolutely trash at mid. It would be really nice if you could say 'any role but this one' and I think it'd make matchmaking even faster.

KaisadiIIaJan 16, 20161 votes

I really doubt you'll ever get mid from "fill" /s

UirayaJan 16, 20162 votes

I got mid from fill just today

and then my top afk'd

league

SociopathFriendJan 16, 20164 votes

I noticed that within the past year or so- "fill" stopped always meaning "support" for me. I was genuinely surprised when I called "Fill" and was freely given mid-lane for the first time. And then- it happened again- and again then top was the position left open. I was genuinely dumbfounded after multiple seasons of "fill" always meaning "support".

I like that "fill" can be multiple things, but I do agree that I wish you could say "fill- but not X". "Fill" is me saying I'll take the role nobody wants in order to promote team unity for not arguing about who goes where. "Fill" is not me saying I'm good at every role. I'm a bad Marksman, I main Mid and Support, and I play Top reasonably well and my Junglers are the ones where you sit in the jungle until 6 then proceed to gank whenever an ultimate is up.

DrCyanideJan 15, 20163 votes

That sounds like a really good use of the existing UI space, I'd love to see that implemented!

spawnman62Jan 16, 20163 votes

I agree. The picking of two roles is nice, however it could be improved by more choices available.

TotalJerkJan 16, 20162 votes

Fill but not support everywhere.

FistOfSharkieshaJan 16, 20161 votes

That's fine, it's no different than them choosing 2 preferences that aren't support. They wouldn't have been getting support regardless.

On the other hand, the people who were choosing 2 roles that weren't support, and would have filled support if not for X role, would be able to support. EX: Someone would fill if not for mid lane, which they don't want. They choose JG and Top because they don't want to risk mid lane if they pick fill for secondary. After this change, they would be JG, Top, Support, ADC.

If Riot did this it would make queue times even faster. For those of us who would fill everything if not for 1 role, it would give 4 role options for matchmaking instead of just 2.

Draven Wun TrickJan 16, 20162 votes

highly agree

SvenoJan 16, 20162 votes

My favorite champ is ashe. With Team Builder, I could queue up as Ashe every single game. Now I get punished for 15 mins for dodging a game because I ended up in a role I don't want to play.

Thank you Riot. I'm done. Time to find another game.

TOXlC SUMMONERJan 16, 20161 votes

^ This seems to be fairly common. We are pushed to play one or two champions with champion mastery then they make it impossible to spam any champion.

Thanks Riot

ZGM DazzlingJan 15, 20161 votes

But how would the match making system place you? Just because someone has "adc" as their first choice and you have not adc, doesnt mean theyll get adc.

RogueWillJan 17, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=ZGM Dazzling,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAEaLiRh,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-01-15T17:19:55.286+0000)

But how would the match making system place you? Just because someone has "adc" as their first choice and you have not adc, doesnt mean theyll get adc.

Just add another check to the algorithm. It shouldnt be that hard if it was coded on a simple manner...then again ocding a matchmaking for 5billion players or so I doubt it would be simple xD

Something SnazzyJan 16, 20161 votes

God I hate the new system. Any fill is incredibly fucked. I love filling but mostly because I love using my wide champion arsenal to either counter pick or fill necessities (e.g. Taric if they are AD heavy, tank top if we have a Yi jungle, AP support if we have an AD mid, etc). That is mostly gone. Furthermore, I find myself constantly shoved into a role I either hate, or shoved into support again and again and again (I don't even mind support, just not 4 times in a row.....)

edit This turns "fill" from filling a role to simply a "I can play any lane." This makes me sad.

TOXlC SUMMONERJan 16, 20161 votes

Fill will also be more "Support" now that Frost queens being neutered makes support less fun.

MaratsuneJan 16, 20161 votes

Fill. Except jungle, please. I'd be happy with that. Then again, considering I've literally never jungled, maybe I should just suck it up and get past that hurdle. It's been 3 years, after all.

KaisadiIIaJan 16, 20162 votes

~2 years ago I used to play everything bug jungler. I decided to try jungler ~~after some pressure~~ and I sucked the first 2-3 games, but I had someone to explain me the basics and, once I got them, I started playing jungler more and more, because it's a completely different game than the rest of the lanes: you have a lot of space to be creative and so on.

Right now I still main mid, but play jung as my secondary role, and I play it as much as mid (and, for ranked, you can carry even harder than mid when done correctly).

You may dislike it though, but still it's worth having a few bad games to learn to play a new role that you may end up enjoying more than you though.

tl;dr: Do it, a few bad games it's worth the reward.

PokkuJan 16, 20162 votes

Agree. My story is 90% the same. I was main support but once I was forced to jungle. It didn't go very well so I asked my brother for tips. Now I play more jungle ( Kayle ) than support because I can have a bigger impact on the game. (I suck at last-hitting so jungle & support are the only roles I can play.) And don't get discouraged by "jungle 0 ganks" whatsoever; you cannot be in every lane at the same time.

KaisadiIIaJan 16, 20161 votes

People should play more jungler. They'd find than there are some times when you just can't gank a certain lane.

MaratsuneJan 16, 20161 votes

I went into a custom game by myself once after a friend mystery gifted me a Warwick skin, but I didn't know what I was doing. I'll have to look up some tutorials to figure it out, and then make notes. Even then, I'll be dead nervous to try it. It's nice to see that others were in the same position as me. LOL.

GrimztaaJan 16, 20161 votes

Posted something similar with a picture http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/Ef50HjZB-new-draft-champion-select-multiple-roles-riot

ArkantasaJan 16, 20161 votes

agreed lol

Yuumi ZuumisJan 16, 20161 votes

I really want to pick Mid/Fill, since I main mid but don't really care what I get beyond that - as long as it's not support. Naturally, having Fill anywhere in my selected roles (even as the secondary) just lands me as support almost every time. I'd love to be able to pick Mid/NotSupport so that I get mid if it's available, or top/jg/adc if it's not.

RIPxMidnightJan 16, 20161 votes

How about an option linked to a player's account that lets him rank his fill preference.

E.G.

Player 1: Top > Mid > Jungle > Support > Marksman

Player 2: Marksman > Support > Jungle > Top > Mid

You can see that Player 1 prefers solo roles to duo lanes, whereas Player 2 prefers teamwork to solo lanes.

In the current system, if both select "Fill", there's an equal chance that they would get the unclaimed support role. With a preference declared ahead of time, the system would weight Player 2 higher to fill the support role and give Player 1 something else.

Rito make it happen pls

NegusInParisJan 16, 20161 votes

Please call the role by it's name "bot" :P

ForebodenJan 16, 20161 votes

You know, I don't think this is such a bad thing. I mean, if we pick fill and we get a role we aren't used to and lose the game, maybe you might decide on practicing that role so that if you do happen to choose fill the next time and you get the role you weren't good at before, you will be good at the role. You'll become versatile in playing all lanes and become a better player all together.

TOXlC SUMMONERJan 16, 20161 votes

Can we get something that says i am willing to wait to not be put as the support when i click to jungle. Seems terrible, again looks like Riot Games is trying to turn this into DOTA 2.

DealthJan 16, 20161 votes

Might as well just be able to select up to 5 roles with a minimum of 2. (preferably a minimum of one, but I don't think that will happen)

spirit cookingJan 16, 20161 votes

why not just check boxes for the roles u want. I don't like to adc, but am happy to apply my bronze skills to the other roles

Tricky SteakJan 16, 20161 votes

Don't you think this would be a better idea?

Instead of having to choose only 2 roles, we should have the possibility to choose up to 4 roles.
Every players must select at least 2 roles out of 4 in order to enter the queue. (It means there would be 2 optional roles)
The roles must be entered by order of preference from left to right.
If a player select "Fill" on a certain role, he would not need to select any other role.

Examples:

**Case 1**: A player want to fill but play adc & mid in priority. The player has to select in that order:

ADC, MID, Fill, Empty

**Case 2**: A player want to fill but not play adc. The player has to select any combination of roles without adc in the order he prefers:

MID, Supp, Jungle, TOP

**Case 3**: A player want to play Top & Jungle only. The player can leave the two last roles empty since they are optional:

TOP, Jungle, Empty, Empty

This system would cover efficiently any possible combination of roles a player want to play and would also greatly reduce queue time.

EstebanElGuapoJan 17, 20161 votes

I agree. There should be a minus button, lets you pick Fill minus ADC. :) Cause I would like to play all but that in my games; but im locking myself into 2 choices every game to avoid 1. I will not be as likely to stay up on my other 2 roles unless I now go out of my way to queue explicitly for them.

The RewrittenJan 17, 20161 votes

My post on this topic didn't get any traction, but I'm glad yours did. This needs to be added right around yesterday.

FlemmanJan 17, 20161 votes

the prpblem with that option is that support will be the n°1 "not this role" pretty quick, leading to situation like actual TB

UmbernoxJan 17, 20161 votes

I just want to say, where this would be good for people that really just don't want to play a specific role at the moment, it would make it very difficult for people to learn how to play every lane or position. For example, if someone is really bad at jungle, they would just put that down for the I don't want to play this position, and then they would never learn how to play jungle. Whereas in the draft mode how it is, they can be made to play that area. Even if they really suck, they will eventually get better because they are being forced to play it. I do like the idea, but it would leave more room for those people that no one really likes. "I can only play this role" .... No one likes that. Especially if they are going to be playing draft in ranked or even regular, they should know how to play everything, because it is draft mode. Even in the old draft mode, it was pick order, so if you got stuck with something you couldn't play you had to learn how to play it.