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Mordekaisers Base Stats - Stop leaving him in the dust Riot.

DaCurtis··33 votes·2,270 views

Hi everyone. I'm posting this thread to try and find some clarity as to why Mordekaiser has barely received any base stats this preseason, and subsequently, why he's being neglected so much.

Mordekaiser has always had shockingly low base armor, hp regen, and hp growth, but that was all fine because he had one the highest base ad's in the game. This let Mordekaiser do incredible damage on his Q allowing him to get his shields up faster. Besides, you could always slot in 9 armor + quints if you thought you'd have trouble with a lane, so overall, no problem right? Well unfortunately not anymore.

Because Riot has taken the power away from the user to slot in weaknesses via runes, we are at the mercy of their balance team, and I am not happy with Morde's current state compared to other bruisers.

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Mordekaiser currently has the lowest base armor of any of the juggernauts top, aside from Galio. With a meta of top lanes consisting of high damage, press the attack, and ranged champs like gnar - jayce - and kennen, Mordekaisers base stats need to be looked at.

I mean, he's a champion that's literally encased with metal for crying out loud.

40 Comments

Malicious Metal19 votes

Mordekaiser does not need better base stats.

If you give him higher defenses he'll just roflstomp any lane. Iron Man is what he's balanced around and playing around proper HP leech with his W/R and shield gen is what makes Morde basically immortal if you're good at him.

I'm just sick and tired with people wanting to buff Morde out of the blue, even though he's in a decent spot and due to the nature of his kit he's not allowed to be ever really meta.

Just wait for his VGU or actually invest some time into learning to deal with his stats.

DaCurtis7 votes

I'm just sick and tired with people wanting to buff Morde out of the blue, even though he's in a decent spot and due to the nature of his kit he's not allowed to be ever really meta.

Mordekaisers winrate has dropped to 48% this preseason. There's no doubt he's not getting any care this patch.

actually invest some time into learning to deal with his stats.

Sure man. Play against a kennen or a jayce early game with press the attack on 25 armor and get back to me on that one.

Malicious Metal15 votes

Get back to me once you stop building Frostqueen's claim, Glacial augment and almost pure Tank on Mordekaiser.

We Morde mains can be happy he didn't get the Poppy Treatment and was left in the gutter until he'll get his VGU. He's not in a spot to ever receive buffs so we should be happy for what we got.

Besides, I think he's better with the new runes.

DaCurtis4 votes

almost pure Tank on Mordekaiser.

You mean like a bruiser? Also my build has nothing to do with the subject of Mordekaisers base stats. This largely affects early game, and build paths aren't in the picture by then.

Besides, I think he's better with the new runes.

I'm not too sure what game you're playing, but I'm currently playing a game where I can't mitigate damage anymore because my defense are too low and I can't even get the shield consistently up anymore because everyone else's resistances have overtaken my own.

If you're happy with other bruisers like Illaoi getting buffs to their base ad and armor whilst having Mordekaiser almost untouched, then I'm happy you can enjoy the game, because I'm currently not with this new system.

Thefrostyviking3 votes

A champ is largely based around 2 things.

Their base stats, and what they build.

Caitlyn and Ashe, are excellent examples of this, as proven by their history from a time shortly before the first lethality meta until now. Ashe for instance had repeated nerfs happen to her ulti and W because of how good she was with item 3508, and cait had her passive shot down because it was too good with item 3085 .

Thus after a number of tweaks and changes they eventually ended up quite decently balanced as of now.

Mordekaiser, is very much the same, being balanced around his optimal build because if he were buffed so that any other too different build becomes viable the main build will instead go outa control.

But it also can't be nerfed because it´ll go bad.

So he is in his current spot, a high skillfloor to succeed and you have to use the optimal builds, for the rest just isn't comparable.

Much the same as Ashe or Cait.

GigglesO2 votes

Just because he got changed doesn't mean we have to be happy with his position.

I hate full ap morde because to me it feels like shit getting nuked in one hit while taking 2-3 to kill someone.

Tank morde has no cc and has to rely on base stats to get around, and playing in the middle doesn't feel that great right now.

You aren't the only voice of morde even if you do have more followers than the typical morde main. As someone that has 1.9 Million mastery, in diamond, I find morde much more difficult to play now than he was last season. He used to have more matchups that he did ok in that now he pretty much just gets trashed. He needs a little love.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Prefer that gutter poppy to reworked just to say

Hella Kaiser5 votes

the problem is not mordekaiser being weak.

the problem is ranged champs being used in top.

SwiftKitten882 votes

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Mordekaisers winrate has dropped to 48% this preseason. There's no doubt he's not getting any care this patch.

Sure man. Play against a kennen or a jayce early game with press the attack on 25 armor and get back to me on that one.

omg boo whoo, 48% winrate.. stop acting like thats bad...

i had to deal with a 38% on my main yes THIRTY EIGHT winrate for the first 3 months of season 7 and the next 3 months after that a 44% winrate.. slowing going to the 47% where she is now.

and your crying about a 48% as if your champion is "RUINED".

give me a break... you don't even deserve to comment on what a having your champion "trashed" means

Mordepool1 votes

46-48% for 2 years. Maybe is a little different than being out of meta for 3 months. Just saying

SwiftKitten882 votes

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46-48% for 2 years. Maybe is a little different than being out of meta for 3 months. Just saying

your reading comprehension is pretty bad

3 months at 38% + 3 months at >44% and then 7 more months at >48%

and your lying out of your ass.. last time mord had 50% winrate was this july.. which was only 5 months ago and between july of last year and july of this year he was 54-52%

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/mordekaiser/all and if "only care about higher elo" and choose to ignore all other data provided..

then here: RIGHT NOW Mordekaiser has a 51% win rate https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/mordekaiser/platinum

and if you look at Mordekaiser diamond + https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/mordekaiser/diamond he has nearly 53%

soo how about you quit it with the BS pulling numbers out of your ass

you want to see what my winrate graph looks like? https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/nidalee/all

edit: hmm it seems july of this year is having issues with winrates on all champs... so i take that part back

Rinký Dinky2 votes

Morde has not had a 46-48% winrate for 2 years.

Mordepool1 votes

He had a average of 46 in 2016 And has had a 48 for 2017

Mordepool1 votes

He had a average of 46 in 2016 And has had a 48 for 2017

Rinký Dinky2 votes

Prove it.

Every single metric I have used for this entire season has had mordekaiser sitting at 50% for the majority, with occasional dips into 48%.

In Korea, one of the best regions, Mordekaiser has remained a pocket solo q pick, abused by even pro players such as Khan. Unless you can provide data, I cannot concede this point.

I see you clash with Malicious a lot, and I must say, you really don't make too much of an argument. You never seem to follow up your points with examples or data. If mordekaiser is as dogshit as you make him out to be, I would appreciate data to back it up.

Backup4now2 votes

From my experience, Mordekaiser is only in a decent spot for we mains that spend so much time crafting, adapting, and learning to work with him despite his completely alien state of balance. Despite our dedication, he's only just decent. Decent doesn't cut it for mains like us, when mains of better characters can pull off harder carries and ridiculous stunts far beyond what we're capable of. And if he's only just "decent" when he's almost exclusively played as a main or as a counterpick, then you know what that means for newer players or ones in unfavorable situations.

Also, Morde and immortal in the same sentence? You should know more than most people that Morde has to play ultra safe and constantly ward, else he'll die in the span of a single CC from a half-competent jungle gank right through his paper-ass shield because his defense is so shit. God forbid any one of his abilities were on cooldown, forget about it. I'd put him next to Soraka in terms of squishiness and simplicity to catch and kill, maybe lower.

Bronze 6 Yasuo16 votes

Riot: how dare you play juggernauts. Play something else that is stronger.

7377067 votes

What he would need on top of those is a Base movement speed increase, because that champion is just as fast as a snail.

DaCurtis5 votes

What he would need on top of those is a Base movement speed increase, because that champion is just as fast as a snail.

Mordekaiser doesn't need movement speed. That's apart of his weaknesses and counterplay. He hits like a truck, but he's immobile as a compensation.

The point remains however that he has incredible low base stats across the board.

A treespook nest5 votes

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Mordekaiser doesn't need movement speed. That's apart of his weaknesses and counterplay. He hits like a truck, but he's immobile as a compensation.

The point remains however that he has incredible low base stats across the board.

There are a lot of problems that are leading to Mordekaiser bad state. MS could be a big help for him without removing the usual counterplay.

Penns7 votes

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DaCurtis7 votes

"Not one of Riots golden children of ad assasins? Sorry fucko, better luck next time."

Sorry friend, I sympathize.

Sire Hippington1 votes

"riots golden children of ad-assasin".... Is that why ad-assasins were prettymuch in the gutter ever since the assasin update with only small periods of stregth in which they got overshadowed by broken adc abuseing their items?

BoilTheOil4 votes

Why the actual fuck did they get such large buffs

Naomi CoffeeGoat6 votes

Did we just forget about Mordekaiser's passive and his built-in sustain?

Revali4 votes

Mordekaiser pays for his crummy base stats with his passive.

DaCurtis8 votes

Mordekaisers shield passive means ABSOLUTELY nothing if he doesn't have - A) The resistances to get life out of his shield B) The damage to get the shield up in the first place

As listed above, everyone else outdamages Morde in the base ad department, so he has even more damage to mitigate after preseason changes.

Not only that, but 5 armor is incredibly low to the 9 flat armor + 20 scaling armor quints I used to take on Morde vs high ad poke damage.

LordGeovanni1 votes

more q scaling from level 1 is still one of the highest damage ablities in the game even zoe dont got shit on that. morde doesnt need resistances because his shield isnt 1 static value it scales and it has the potential to never drop completely. which it hardly does because his damage is so high and thanks to gunblades interaction he recovers his max hp while he builds a his shield. morde only has 1 weakness in that he doesnt have an easy way to stick to ranged champions which hardly matters because he is so good at fighting front liners to keep himself topped off until they die so he can then pressure ranged damage dealers out of space because he is so dangerous and this can be ignored if you have an assassin or tank that engages on the back line.

BoilTheOil4 votes

Why can't Mordekaiser get any buffs when Jayce Gnar Pantheon are always meta top lane I don't understand.

LordGeovanni1 votes

because rather than buffing him those champions need nerfs except pantheon defense just needs to be stronger as far as he is concerned

BoilTheOil1 votes

Well i'm talking about riot's logic, of course these 3 need nerfs.

LordGeovanni1 votes

3 being Mordekaiser Gnar and Jayce

BoilTheOil1 votes

how does morde need nerfs instead of panth

LordGeovanni1 votes

Pantheon is annoying but buy no means strong people just run from his already auto targeted q while its on cooldown. pantheon has a very weak level 1 if you engage onto him and he starts q which most people do if he starts e on the other hand you may have a problem which i do when i play pantheon because of the 15% hp crit not punishing him before his level 3 is how most people lost pantheon lane.
Morde on the other hand auto wins versus any melee except maybe darius.

Mordepool1 votes

Bug fixes Please. That would be buffs enough. I definitely can't say he feels good to play when even slightly behind.

Troll for Trump1 votes

Mordekaiser currently has the lowest base armor of any of the juggernauts top, aside from Galio.

Galio isn't a juggernaut, and I'm pretty sure he always had the lowest armor of the juggernauts (but highest base AD)

Almost all juggs are doing ass right now and need some heavy changes

LordGeovanni1 votes

Morde has lower base stats because he has an artifical hp pool that refills with his damage and builds gunblade for healing

IdveYsUfSK1 votes

The current state of morde is pretty bad right now. You can take any adc and buy lifesteal, you will function more better than morde with a neligible shield and heal that is less than an auto attack dmg. Take vayne or quinn common adc top for example. Buy a frozen mallet and/or GA you would still be better off any juggernaut in the game right now, provided you know how to kite.

Morde lost a effective keystone stormraider's surge. No champ in the game uses it as a crutch to make their kit work other than morde. Its a keystone which only mechanically competent players who can attack move use, mainly for immobile juggernauts. The new phase rush feels like complete trash, almost non existent till game is already decided or over.

morde also got short changed with the removal of runes and stats compensation. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Seal (for people who forgot what old runes provided) hp scaling seal provided 24 hp @ lv 18 riot gave him 5 armor so assuming 4 yellows were hp scaling seals = 96 hp the compensation was 5 hp + 18x5 = 95hp. But the problem was morde benefited more from scaling hp which was 9*24= 216 hp @ lv 18 mainly because his passive shield scales with hp. you would also be buying seeker's armguard or ninja tabis which makes the 5 armor buff pretty neligible. I hope i wont have to do the armor math for you. Anyone who knows basic math would figure out the 5 armor is worthless, aside from preventing you from early cheesed, but its worthless as everyone got huge damage buffs from the new runes. Be it Thunderlord, dark harvest, press the attack, lethal tempo and also the main offender lethal impact.

currently morde has a above average high winrate is because most of morde mains have stopped playing him and the data isnt updated until the end of the month. ** stop looking at data without understanding the situation**. check this http://na.op.gg/champion/mordekaiser/statistics/top check this too. http://na.op.gg/ranking/champions/name=mordekaiser Click on any of them see if they could maintain a positive win rate with morde the past week or two. Most of them dropped morde to play broken champs now.

if you are getting positive winrates with morde and thinks he's good you are delusional, you are just shltting on bad players who are trying out new runes. You can play any other champ in league and yield higher winrates than him now provided you know how to operate those champs. Morde's winrate would continue to drop when people get proper runes and know their new burst damage.

Im a morde main with 300k + mastery. But its sad that i have to drop him too. Point and click one shot champs are way too good now along with duskblade and they dont provide you room for counterplay. ADCs just have to get to 2 early kills to snowball the game beyond control or they just need to sit and wait for passive income with very little farm to start rolling.

DaCurtis1 votes

Great insight man, but this thread is a bit old, so the right people might not see it. Consider making a new thread with this post. You put a lot of effort into it.

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