he is the only jungler that takes skill. It's 10 times easier to pull off a gank with cinderhulk jungler than with lee sin and you have to snowball the game 20-0 at 10 mins or you get outscaled hard.
I really doubt most of the "jungle mains" here can actually pull off an insec but i believe that most can do press r for freelo on sejuani. #ripfreewin
Nameless Voice12 votesHe needs a rework first, to actually give him meaningful strengths and weaknesses. The same rework that Riot have promised for years and still haven't delivered. None of his problems have changed. He's still really good at everything, even if he's outshone now by Cinderhulk tanks. He's still extremely high-safety and low-risk because of all the dashes and repositions in his kit. His kit is still too flexible and allows him take advantage of every situation or get himself out of trouble too easily.
Lugg1 votesThis guy is completely right.
Kariu Rena2 votesthe risk in picking lee sin is that you are picking lee sin and not cinderhulk junglers retard
junglerboy164 votesYou don't seem to understand how champions work, I would like to reference you to the Tips and Tricks board, you might learn something about the game.
What he means about risk is that he is a very safe (hard to kill) champion, not that there is a risk of losing (which every champion has).
Lee sin single handedly owned the jungle for 3 years, it's his turn to be the benchwarmer for once.
Nameless Voice2 votesName-calling people who disagree with you really helps strengthen your argument.
junglerboy167 votesYou are the most utterly noobish player I've ever seen if you honestly believe what you've just posted. We have played through 3 years of Lee totally dominating every single matchup in the jungle, he has earned his time on the back row for once.
Also, Lee has the easiest ganks in the game. Seriously, the only skill in his gank is hitting his Q, after that its point and click dash, point and click CC, AoE damage and so on. Lee isn't a hard champion to play (he was comparatively hard on release, but he pales in comparison to champs like Draven, or Azir) and you are deluded if you think otherwise. Don't even think about bringing up win rate here, because that is due to poor late game scaling, not hard mechanics.
If they buff Lee in his current state, he'd break the game all over again and they'd have to either gut him or we would have to sit through another 3 years of Free win Lee sin all over again.
Thank you for your opinion, but HELL NO.
ForgiveColour4 votesand he has statistic to back him up you?
lee sin 45% winrate sejunai 55% winrate
muh easy gank muh outscale
junglerboy163 votesI never said he was strong now, I said he deserved his time out of the spotlight for once. Sejuani may need more nerfs, I don't know, but at least she doesn't bully out every other jungler in the game like Lee used to.
I'm all for making Lee viable and balanced, but that just isn't gonna happen until they rework him.
Abyssphere2 votesand he has statistic to back him up you?
lee sin 45% winrate sejunai 55% winrate
muh easy gank muh outscale
Sejuani is 90% pick/ban. People are entirely aware that she is overtuned. What you're posting right now amounts to "one jungler is better than Lee Sin - buff him", which really shows just how warped people's view of Lee is. The second he isn't the absolute #1, even though he's still seeing regular LCS play, people ask for buffs. Because Lee not being on top is inconceivable.
He is fine. He is still among the most viable junglers and if you really think non-tanks need to be buffed then there are many champions to buff before Lee.
Kariu Rena1 votessays the guy that thinks lee sin has the easiest gank in the game compared to 
hop off the circlejerk, you tell me winrate doesnt matter and then tell me that he sucks pass early game a bit contradicting dont you think?
junglerboy162 votesWhat the hell are you even talking about? I'm not saying Lee is good right now, I'm saying he deserves to be trash for a while, especially considering that buffing him would break the jungle again.
Lee sin has easy to execute ganks (the easiest to do successfully in the game) it is his team fight initiation that is hard because he actually has to pay attention to the 4 people he isn't kicking into his team.
You are confusing ideas here. I'm not saying Lee is fine, I'm not saying he is OP, I'm saying he deserves what he's got and until they rework him, he'll have to stay there.
Kariu Rena1 votesYou should rename yourself to supportboy0n16 because you dont know jungle anyway
junglerboy162 votesI love when people like you revert to name calling and mudslinging when you know you don't have any real knowledge of how to counter a solid argument.
ForgiveColour1 votesyou called him a utterly noobish player first without giving any real argument
You then say lee sin has to easiest gank in the game when that is obviously false but you somehow still think you have more knowledge than him
look like you actually need to be called 0 and 16 LOL
junglerboy161 votesLee does have the easiest ganks in the game; they are very easy to get kills with because of the ease with which he can get into position to take out his target, and his high early damage makes kills quite simple to achieve.
He also doesn't need to use his ultimate to gank really well either.
Yes I called him a n00b because I thought he either hadn't played before when Lee was a terror, or thought he didn't realize how obnoxious it was when you had to play around the fact that Lee was really strong, both of which are n00b things to think. Was it unfair of me to call him that? Very possible. Did I leave it at just an insult and then walk away without any reasoning? nope. That is the core difference between my post and his post, he simply dropped a name and left, I explained why I thought he was wrong.
powerbats2 votes[{quoted}](name=Kariu Rena,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A10xv7tb,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2015-05-02T16:37:13.468+0000)
You should rename yourself to supportboy0n16 because you dont know jungle anyway
A wise American once said the following quote which for you would be wise to follow.
"Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"
- Abraham Lincoln
IcyPepper5 votesOther junglers don't take skill?
What is this thing called "positioning?"
Kariu Rena1 votesyeah sejuani takes so much skill bro
ForgiveColour3 voteslmao free win tank junglers takes no skill
AtheosisX3 votesLee Sin is still a really good jungler. This is a dumb thread.
Remlap12233 votesYou pushed the Lee Sin button. Shouldn't have done that.
Berry Állen3 votesif you cant hit the q then you are just stupid, there is no skill
The12thman943 votesHonestly tank junglers are easy to play but not so easy to play well. Try playing an ADC with a gragas that doesn't know how peel vs a gragas that does.
Vistha Kai3 votesk, lel. (downvotes into oblivion)
BeatzBoyFTW2 votes
comes first.
never ever again.