PSA: When someone on your team makes a Baron call

TheThundersRoar··77 votes·5,296 views

You have two and only two non-moronic options.

  1. IMMEDIATELY ping them the hell back and tell them it's a bad call.
  2. IMMEDIATELY drop whatever the hell you're doing and go do Baron.

Kinda tired of players who come to Baron late and then start bitching about "bad call report gg stay in bronze" when the fight gets interrupted at 2k Baron health.

Baron opportunities even when the whole enemy team is alive come up multiple times every game. But people rarely take them because the jungler really wants those small wraiths or the ADC would rather have 6 CS. Seriously, respond to the fucking Baron calls ASAP.

35 Comments

Syruponrofls14 votes

I think baron is just there to create more fights. You absoluetly do not need baron to win. Had a match yesterday we just aced the team and were right pushed up tot the T2 tower. Someone said baron, I said F*** that push mid and get the inhib. We ended up getting the T2 tower, inhib and a nexus tower. Or we could have ran and got baron and made the game take longer. Baron is really situational and alot of the time is not even necessary to win. I call it the "throw pit" because I cant count the number of times a game was lost because A dumb ass baron call was made.

Pika Fox19 votes

Baron exists to break stalls. The push pressure from baron can overwhelm turtling enemies.

Gibberwatt13 votes

This is true. But when you ace a team, generally it is a good time to just go ahead and say that the stall is broken, and make a mad rush for the nexus

Wamuudes1 votes

Riiight here. Barry doesn't need to be involved if you've wiped the board clear and have free reign to go push. It's fairly rare that you need the big Purple Worm Buff to win a game.

EndlessSorcerer5 votes

Yeah, but the Baron exists for when you can't just ace the enemy team.

When they just turtle up in their base and defend, it gives you away to draw them out or breach their base.

But yeah, if you've already aced the enemy team, just shove (unless you have no minion waves near any of the turrets and they will respawn before you can reach them, in which case Baron is a good option).

Gibberwatt2 votes

I guess you have a point. I'll give you that

RocketRelm1 votes

Baron also exists for those moments where you "kinda" win. Where you've killed 2-3 people, don't have quite enough over them to take their towers with their home guards, but they can't contest you all the way out at baron.

Battlecast Sona3 votes

baron is for the teamfight where you kill the jungler + support and get the ADC and mid laner low. It's for when you see the duolane without TP bottom lane and the jungler in their jungle on bottomside.

I do agree that when you ace the enemy team unless you haven't opened up an inhib tower yet you should probably just push unless you fought right on top of baron...

MonkeyMadness1 votes

Baron is for seiging and cracking open the enemy base with empowered minions.

Elder drag is for combat buffs.

If you use these buffs properly they are game-winning, even if you don't end the game with the buff active. If you are a bronze idiot, congrats on that 300 gold...

DeathBot6662 votes

Baron is incredibly situational. I've had games where I've been winning and lost because the enemy team grabbed a baron, games I've been losing and won because we stole a baron, and games where its been a tie, go for baron, and lose because we lose to much while we're taking it. A right baron call can make or break a game.

Hyrum Graff3 votes

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I think baron is just there to create more fights. You absoluetly do not need baron to win. Had a match yesterday we just aced the team and were right pushed up tot the T2 tower. Someone said baron, I said F*** that push mid and get the inhib. We ended up getting the T2 tower, inhib and a nexus tower. Or we could have ran and got baron and made the game take longer. Baron is really situational and alot of the time is not even necessary to win. I call it the "throw pit" because I cant count the number of times a game was lost because A dumb ass baron call was made.

Baron exists so that the winning team can force a fight.

You don't need baron to win, but it helps, particularly against a team that's turtling. So the turtling team can't just let you take it, they have to contest. Since Baron throws are a thing, they also want to contest. And then the game is decided by whether you can successfully turn and fight or whether you throw.

Healey1 votes

You don't like 1500g? Gtfoh

BluePolarizer1 votes

Baron is necessary for comebacks though. If you defensively ace the enemy somehow (2 for 5 under your towers for instance) when behind, and you are right in front of your base - it's better to baron than to push. You need the buff to stall out enemy waveclear because trading 2 for 5 and still losing a t2 is horrible, and you won't make it back by taking their t1+t2.

newbin12 votes

Barons are vast majority of the time a big risk. Against most team compositions you need to have a certain 1 or 2 enemy champs dead because of their kit means them will mess you up in that tight space. If they don't kill you or steal baron, they wound you to the point you need to back and can't push. Everyone is always watching for a baron. When baron is safe enough to go for, you could be taking a tower or inhib instead which should always take priority if you want to win the match.

I've seen so many throws from a bad baron call it's ridiculous. Best calls have been when you have 2 inhibs down or can take another for 2 down and need the pushing power do get in the base and finish the game.

TheThundersRoar3 votes

No one said Baron calls are always good calls - they are usually horrible calls. But bad Baron calls with a coordinated team usually don't end badly. They realize the enemies are coming and immediately ditch Baron - nothing was lost but a bit of time.

What's worse are players who just waste time by not responding at all, instead letting their team start the fight while they think about it, farm some minions, and let the tank lose half their health trying to start Baron, before joining the fight anyway and getting aced.

If you think a Baron call is bad, immediately ping back and let them know. DON'T WAIT. Don't mull it over and don't just farm. Either go there and help IMMEDIATELY or tell them they're shit and they should stop Baron IMMEDIATELY. Responding to a good Baron call late is worse than responding to a bad Baron call early.

YJRBqwXJcS5 votes

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You have two and only two non-moronic options.

  1. IMMEDIATELY ping them the hell back and tell them it's a bad call.
  2. IMMEDIATELY drop whatever the hell you're doing and go do Baron.

Kinda tired of players who come to Baron late and then start bitching about "bad call report gg stay in bronze" when the fight gets interrupted at 2k Baron health.

Baron opportunities even when the whole enemy team is alive come up multiple times every game. But people rarely take them because the jungler really wants those small wraiths or the ADC would rather have 6 CS. Seriously, respond to the fucking Baron calls ASAP.

3* "TELL YOUR TEAM IF YOU DONT HAVE SMITE" holy shit the amount of times a baron got stolen because our jungler waits until its stolen to say

"didn't have smite wtf"

Wamuudes2 votes

The problem is that Teling them you don't have Smite won't always deter the asshat who wants to go for it "We don't need it, c'mon, we can do this"

Then when it getss stolen/ you all get your asses beaten into a puulp and they just take it afterwards, all the blame goes onto the jungler for not smiting and not the moron who called for a Baron rush.

Hyrum Graff3 votes

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3* "TELL YOUR TEAM IF YOU DONT HAVE SMITE" holy shit the amount of times a baron got stolen because our jungler waits until its stolen to say

"didn't have smite wtf"

I feel like that falls squarely under 1. IMMEDIATELY ping them the hell back and tell them it's a bad call.

BluePolarizer1 votes

I always make sure to warn my team if I have smite or not. I also let them know in prechat that I cannot outsmite a Kha'Zix or Lee Sin in this elo since I have high ping.

Pika Fox3 votes

Depends on who you are and what youre doing. If im the support and you call baron, im likely coming late. I need to deep ward and clear wards if at all possible.

If im the top laner and i dont provide any meaningful stats to the baron, im likely not coming, and ill pressure elsewhere so they have to respond to me or rush toward baron which i can teleport to if needed (or the team can disengage and we get a free tower/inhib out of my split push). Granted, this relies on there being a reasonable zone im near that i can pressure.

DarkRitual1 votes

Getting vision set up is still fine, as it's part of taking the objective properly. Split pushing is also fine, if the situation is correct. If I'm bot lane (sometimes mid if rest of team is healthy), our team is all up and half the enemies are dead, split push away. Might even mindgame the enemy team if they are bad to not checking the pit.

Swiftstrike41 votes

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Depends on who you are and what youre doing. If im the support and you call baron, im likely coming late. I need to deep ward and clear wards if at all possible.

If im the top laner and i dont provide any meaningful stats to the baron, im likely not coming, and ill pressure elsewhere so they have to respond to me or rush toward baron which i can teleport to if needed (or the team can disengage and we get a free tower/inhib out of my split push). Granted, this relies on there being a reasonable zone im near that i can pressure.

Completely disagree. If you are the tank and a non split push champion, as a top laner, it is critical for you to always respond to a baron call. I would say support and top laner are first responders to every baron. Your jungler can even show up late to simply smite it if you start the baron early. Yes you have TP, but sometimes the TP is too late and if you are the Tank you need to be present to mitigate baron's aoe damage (which increases over time). I use to hold the same views, but my opinion began to change as I moved up in rank and baron became a more common call.

Baron calls began to improve when I hit gold, people became more aware of baron opportunities. In Silver, people only take baron's if it is "free." It is the "win harder" objective. Players do not understand when they can take it and when they have it they often only take towers they probably could have gotten without the baron. They maybe use it to win the game but they probably could have won the game without the baron. When I hit high silver and later got into gold at the end of last season, baron was more often used to put pressure on the map or to mitigate an opponent's lead. It was used more defensively.

I would say it is highly common for a team to lose their inhibitor and then immediately follow up with a baron attempt (often a successful one too). The team that just took an inhibitor may be too weak after taking that objective or think that they have an advantage and ignore vision of the objective. They are too busy backing and clearing the waves that have probably shoved.

In general, by the 30 minute mark a good rule of thumb is that if the jungler is dead or on the bottom half of the map, the baron can probably be done pretty safely by the opposite team if the tier 1 towers are all gone.

Pika Fox2 votes

If theres no lane pushing or if my team doesnt have enough damage, sure, ill respond as a top laner. If there is a lane pushing and we have the damage, theres no reason for me to be at baron. You wont need me to take damage, i wont be doing any damage, and i have teleport up. We should have wards up, so i should have more than enough time to TP in and even flank, depending on ward positioning.

And again, supports have more important things to do during the start of baron (ward, ward clear), and generally will only be there at the start if its still warded properly and youre confident youre safe enough.

Swiftstrike42 votes

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If theres no lane pushing or if my team doesnt have enough damage, sure, ill respond as a top laner. If there is a lane pushing and we have the damage, theres no reason for me to be at baron. You wont need me to take damage, i wont be doing any damage, and i have teleport up. We should have wards up, so i should have more than enough time to TP in and even flank, depending on ward positioning.

And again, supports have more important things to do during the start of baron (ward, ward clear), and generally will only be there at the start if its still warded properly and youre confident youre safe enough.

You are there to tank damage not to deal damage at the baron.

Pika Fox1 votes

If they have damage im not going to need to tank. The support/jungler can tank.

HayRoss3 votes

I always feel pressured because whenever my team does Baron, I know that I'm not going to convince them otherwise so I always feel like I have to do it or else we're all gonna die

Unfortunate Game2 votes

Thats funny. So basically I had this game earlier in the week, where I was playing elise, I was fed out of my mind, nearly a flawless game. I had 3-4k gold on everyone @ early 20 minutes, basically 1 shot to anyone. Anyway, I called baron after we aced, half the team came (me and adc), then the tank top lane 1-4, who i was solo carrying the game is like no barons not a good call, they came at 2k health killed us because he didnt want to come and tank, and he decided it was a better idea to suicide mid lane.

After that they got baron, we got aced, they got double inhib and we ff'd.

Point is, if someone knows what theyre doing and theyre carrying you please try and listen to their calls even if its not good, you work as a team and if you dont commit to everything 100% you will have a bad time. What an unfortunate game to say the least, when 1-4 sion top lane loses us the game because its better to dick around mid lane than to come for a free baron and then watch us all die because we spend too much time switching off. Unlucky...

Healey2 votes

A fucking MEN

warpenguin5551 votes

My team always throws at baron. guess who calls for half of them :)

Kapppaccino1 votes

Ahh memories. As a jungle main i agree. There are times when the enemy is alive and idgaf because ill see their jungler or adc bot and i spam ping baron. The thing is, if everyone committed at that moment , even if the enemy starts coming, BURST DOWN BARON. I promise you i know what im doing. Soooo many times where we have the baron under 1500 hp and the enemy support pokes his head out and EVERYONE just backs off baron and runs for the kill, usually resulting in us losing baron because my team burned their cooldowns on 1 or 2 targets. 1 or 2 seconds of damage more wouldve been ez baron ez life but "gg bad baron call enemy alive report jungler". I remember one game as nunu where everyone rage quit 10 minutes in because i wasnt ganking ( lol ) except azir. Enemy team was sieging us down mid but me and azir went for a baron the second it came up, and were able to stall out the game long enough for azir to 1v5 with me peeling for him. 2v5 win because azir trusted my calls as jungler. He couldve easily stayed mid to defend but he trusted my baron call. Love u azie guy if ur seeing this <3

Kadrin5101 votes

I agree with you! Most of the time being on time is what make the difference between getting the Baron or gettin aced by the enemy team.

The problem is IMHO that sometime people find it hard to trust their teammate calls :S

iamthegoatofwar1 votes

generally I have a somewhat variable chart depending on the games flow and situation. If we ace, are at decent HP, and none of our lanes are pushing I say we aim the baron if not dragon. (pre-35 though I always like dragons perma buffs are just god send in late games).

If I'm playing nasus and our lanes are pushed up I'm going to shove towers cause that's all I'm good for. If we're pushed up with an average farmed nasus at 30 minutes he can destroy towers easily.

If we can take an inhib that is always better than baron...period. That forces them to back at some point if they try to EVER fight us cause of the super minions in mid.

GenericGirlName1 votes

one game i had a jungle trist, we got 3 of them but they got our adc , our top was good tank and i was support, we were 2k away and saw them commind and backed off, trist then said, yea bad call guys... we were like dude wtf you got wraiths if you came it was easy these people are the worst

GenericGirlName1 votes

one game i had a jungle trist, we got 3 of them but they got our adc , our top was good tank and i was support, we were 2k away and saw them commind and backed off, trist then said, yea bad call guys... we were like dude wtf you got wraiths if you came it was easy these people are the worst

OneMustFall1 votes

Since when do people listen to back pings? You can spam that shit and they'll still start Baron with you being on the other side of the map and your jungler dead.

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