Im literally losing my will to play. Games are so snow bally every single game you're smashing the other team or getting smashed and ff15. i dont think i have been in a close game now in over a week. So hard to comeback from these games on top of teammates just tilting the fuck out of each other
Moon Forcer39 votesI just wish they'd do these few things:
has a LEGITIMATE REASON TO EXIST outside of letting snowballing teams snowball harder by forcing people to deal with auto-pushing minion waves so they don't lose towers while the enemy laners can roam to take more towers.
and 
can be toned down and certain problem champs like 
and such can be tweaked in order to make AP useful FOR THE REST OF THE MAGE ROSTER.
LemurMonster5 votes[{quoted}](name=Moon Forcer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9thWMJwR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-08-24T02:22:42.450+0000)
I just wish they'd do these few things:
- Make Baron and Rift Herald actual threats that teams can't effortlessly kill if they're so much as slightly ahead.
- Remove Minion scaling, a "Mechanic" that is literally borderline retarded in that it just makes snowballing teams snowball harder by forcing people to deal with auto-pushing minion waves so they don't lose towers while the enemy laners can roam to take more towers.
- Improve tower damage by either converting it ALL to True Damage, or making it so after hitting max stacks it converts, so that something like
- Take some actual time to think about burst in general so that borderline retarded shit like
That cho heath scaling true damage need to be removed period.. a full Tank should never being doing tons of damage.
dlayed5 votes[{quoted}](name=Moon Forcer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9thWMJwR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-08-24T02:22:42.450+0000)
I just wish they'd do these few things:
- Make Baron and Rift Herald actual threats that teams can't effortlessly kill if they're so much as slightly ahead.
- Remove Minion scaling, a "Mechanic" that is literally borderline retarded in that it just makes snowballing teams snowball harder by forcing people to deal with auto-pushing minion waves so they don't lose towers while the enemy laners can roam to take more towers.
- Improve tower damage by either converting it ALL to True Damage, or making it so after hitting max stacks it converts, so that something like
- Take some actual time to think about burst in general so that borderline retarded shit like
Auto pushing minions is what allows teams to come back, burst has always been in the game, your right about Baron and herald being to easy, and as for towers, it's more less of a decision made by riot to where towers can either be considered safe zone or objectives, and they went with the objective route where its more or less a way of advancing the game.
SpecterVonBaren7 votesThey said that's what it was for but in practive all it does is make it so the ahead team can group together to take objectives while the behind team has to split up to deal with minions and then if/when they get Baron it becomes even worse because now you have a lane with super minions AND the other two lanes with pushing minion waves.
JMoormann2 votesIf I remember correctly, it was intended as a mix of both, and the explanation seemed pretty reasonable to me.
The team that is ahead can snowball their lead by using the pushing minions to gain map control and take objectives
However, teams that are ahead but who don't manage to utilize the pressure from the pushing minions well are heavily punished, because the team that is behind can safely farm up with the minions being closer to their own base.
So the minion scaling rewards teams who use the pressure gained from their lead to take objectives, but punishes teams who run around the map like headless chickens and overextend trying to get farm.
Only in higher ELO are teams consistently able to correctly play around objectives, but with only 10% of the ranked playerbase being plat or higher and (from my personal experience) most gold or lower teams not being able to really play around objectives very well it is probably mostly an anti-snowballing mechanic for the majority of the playerbase.
TL;DR: It gives teams in the lead an opportunity to snowball by taking objectives, but if they don't take that opportunity (which happens more often than not) the other team can farm with more safety than they could without the minions pushing to them.
HeeroTX4 votesTL;DR: It gives teams in the lead an opportunity to snowball by taking objectives, but if they don't take that opportunity (which happens more often than not) the other team can farm with more safety than they could without the minions pushing to them.
This is FALSE because towers are shyte. The problem in the current game is that dives are too easy/safe so a snowballing team can use the push power to snowball harder. So in the end it is ONLY a snowballing mechanic because higher ELO can use the increased pressure and lower ELO can't survive the pressure. (since most lower ELO games don't use it for taking objectives ANYWAY)
hoganftw25 votesEven normals are tilting af. Platbabbies stomp all over some unranked kids and they're talking trash. It's disgusting.
xXRaichopXx12 votesI can't even try a different build in norms without being called a "stupid inting kid that needs to get help"
I remember when norms was fun...
3TWarrior1 votesI remember when there were so few snowball mechanics and get out of jail free cards that normals and ranked were actually different
if you look at the stats, champion win rates are within like 2% of each other for ranked and normals
AetherArising3 votesEven normals are tilting af. Platbabbies stomp all over some unranked kids and they're talking trash. It's disgusting.
Its always been like that...
deadlychuck13 votesThat's because riot has bit by bit, made all of the players who want to have fun leave the game, leaving only the people only give a shit about winning left.
That's why urf is complete shit right now. You just have two teams full of people pushing as fast as they can't because the only thing that matters is winning.
NiceTryVi1 votesAgreed. I played a norms with some friends a little while back, all low silver, while I am currently S2 but was G2 last season. So, i mainly stay in my jungle and only give my laners a hand when they need it because I want the game to be fun for everyone instead of stomping lower ranked layers every chance i get. We are playing and winning fairly handily, except midlane, who is getting destroyed. All the other lanes are going how I expected though. I gank mid a couple times, but this guy has got some next level reactions and outplays, i could only kill him once on something like 5 ganks, which is rare for a Vi player even against an ekko, and when the enemies are supposed to be a rank or 2 lower than me.
So, I decide to look up the gamee on lolnexus, and lo and behold, everyone except the midlaner is B2-S5 or so. Except the PLAT 2 EKKO. That is just disgusting to me, I get you want to play a normals with friends, and if he was indeed a mid silver i could excuse him smashing my friend. But hes plat 2 and he just fucks my friend every time he gets to lane, towerdives, burst out the wazoo, everything, zero mercy as if hes playing a ranked game. And this is a 5 man q normals, so it isn't like he is unaware that he is going against far lower ranked players.
If it wasn't for the fact that I hadn't played much ranked this season, and the fact that my friends, while not great at the game, are smart, that ekko would have singlehandedly steamrolled so hard you would think a freight train hit you on his way to our nexus. As it was, that game was hard as hell to win, because ekko could delete 1 or maybe even 2 people in a fight before we could kill him, let alone any of his allies. And once I called him out on needing to play norms with his friends to elo-sink his norms MMR to win, he was so salty claiming that i need to just shut up because hes just having fun with his friends.
What kind of person do you have to be to think its perfectly ok to just shitstomp innocent people who are also just trying to have fun just because its the only way you can secure a win and "have fun." Just despicable. If you're gonna have that much of a rank disparity, at least play ARAMs, where ranks matter a lot less due to random champs and the single lane.
WrÆth1 votesYou can't go into a duo q game with your friends and actually expect for the teams to be even. This has always how the que has historically worked.
If It's Ekkos idea of fun to play against people worse than him than so be it. If you want to play even matches than I would suggest not playing with friends.
Claiming that he just wants to have fun with his friends is not being "salty". He's just trying to have fun. IN A NORMALS GAME. Maybe it would be alright to be upset about this if you were qued in ranked, but seriously. ITS FUCKING NORMALS.
NiceTryVi1 votesOh, im sorry, i should just not have fun with friends because people like that ekko can't win a game unless they shitstomp far lower ranked players, my bad. OH WAIT. If he wants to have fun in a normals, fine, but you don't get to ruin other people's fun because you want to have fun. That is called being an asshole. It doesn't matter if its a normals, he is ruining other people's games on purpose because he needs to feel good about himself. Grow up and realize its not all about you.
WrÆth1 votesThat's called how league of legends que system works. Theres a tradeoff when you consider balancing the que between having fair teams and que times. If there were more people playing this game than maybe we could have both. However, that's not the case. So currently we just have to deal with it because there is not much of a better solution. Let's go back to a first grade buzzword here; EMPATHY. Ekko just wants to have fun as well. He probably got home from a long day at work and wants to chill and play League with his friends. Oh look, maybe his friends are all bad. So fucking what. He still has the same right to play as you do. What else is he supposed to do, playing fucking bots? No one has fun playing against bots. Being completely un empathetic to him is being as much of an asshole as you probably percieve him as.
NiceTryVi1 votes"I just want to have fun, so screw anyone else who wants to have fun because my fun is more important even though it requires me to ruin their fun to have it!"
That is what you just said. He can easily play ARAMs where skill is less impactful and games last half as long so if you lose it doesn't feel as bad. Boom, problem solved.
WrÆth1 votesI mean he wants to have fun just as much as you do lol.
And honestly who wants to play ARAM. He has as much of a right to summoners rift as you do.
Anyways I'm going to be the bigger man and drop this because I know from experience that no matter how much I argue my point you are too ignorant to care. Nothing good ever comes out of this.
NiceTryVi1 votesAre you serious? Who wants to play ARAM? It gets tons of play, are you kidding me? And I just find it hilarious that now that you realize you're on the wrong side of the argument, you try to play the "bigger man card" to cover the fact you're trying to run away instead of admitting you were wrong like an adult. If you need to ruin other people's fun just to enjoy yourself, you've got some serious problems.
WrÆth1 votesI'm not trying to "cover that I was on the wrong side of the argument". I would happily argue with you for weeks on end. Even though I'm probably much younger than you are, I'm going to be the one who's going to be mature and drop this argument, because there's quite obviously no point to it. You won't agree with me and I won't agree with you. I'm sorry if you took me dropping the argument the wrong way, and I'm sorry if I wasted your time like you wasted mine.
GG.
wp.
NiceTryVi1 votesPretending to be cool and mature about it doesn't change the fact that you were dead wrong and trying to defend a toxic player, and then tried to scurry away once called out.
GG.
wp.
Nea1046 votesevery single game you're smashing the other team or getting smashed and ff15. i dont think i have been in a close game now in over a week
In months. Riot is doing nothing about it then. Probably all it's due to their flawed matchmaking system, who forces a 50% win ratio overall. In order to do that, almost everytime one team is far better than the other one.
Mizaya5 votesI mean I feel the same, but I've been playing for 6 years now, feel like I'm just losing interest from having played so long.
3TWarrior1 votesno....it's more than likely because the game is no longer the same game it was when you started playing
since preseason 6, everything has changed drastically multiple times
the up and coming runes change might be a step in the right direction, but they've underestimated some of them
Stompme5 votesNo, it's not, and it hasn't been for the longest time. Unless you have friends to play with, it's just a miserable saltfest.
The Bearded Bard4 votesI think a lot of it has to do with the power of rift herald.
Douglas Funnie22 votes3 horrible designs that Riot implemented.
-RNG plant system -Quests to Supports -AI Rift Herald that destroys turrets.
The Bearded Bard11 votesThe plants are growing on me tbh. I was dead set against them in the beginning, but now they're alright.
Jayce Top13 votesI thought they were a cool idea at first, but the red plant needs to go. I cant tell you how many times team mates have accidentally autod the red plant in a team fight and launch about 3 of us into the enemy. Or when I accidentally auto it when im trying to run away from an enemy.
SolarisCorvus3 votes[{quoted}](name=Douglas Funnie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9thWMJwR,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-08-24T02:22:18.921+0000)
3 horrible designs that Riot implemented.
-RNG plant system -Quests to Supports -AI Rift Herald that destroys turrets.
Imo plants aren't bad but they arent good either, didnt see the point for riot adding them. I like the supp quests atleast for the shield line and its a smart way for supps to gain some power without giving up their gold. I understand riots reasoning for adding herald but it kinda mows towers a little too hard but no one cared about old rift herald.
Snow Tea1 votes[{quoted}](name=Douglas Funnie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9thWMJwR,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-08-24T02:22:18.921+0000)
3 horrible designs that Riot implemented.
-RNG plant system -Quests to Supports -AI Rift Herald that destroys turrets.
Quests to supports? Had no Idea that was a thing.... but yea rift herald is making games move faster as well. I remember when the games used to be much closer and esports used to be more popular. ; (
InstaPoppy1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Bearded Bard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9thWMJwR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-24T02:15:04.347+0000)
I think a lot of it has to do with the power of rift herald.
I honestly love rift herald, it takes a lot of pressure of botlane because its very powerfull and its pretty fun to play around it and make sure the enemy doesen't take it.
The Bearded Bard2 votesI don't mind it, but for how powerful it is and its theme, it should be impossible to solo, and right now it isn't. Also, it's completely counterproductive to dragons. Dragons you're supposed to stack over time to get powerful late game buffs, Rift Herald you take once and dominate the early game entirely.
5050BS1 votesAll Epic Monsters should be impossible to solo.
Baron, RH, Dragon should need AT LEAST 2 to kill.
Master Yi at two items can solo basically everything. Its a Problem.
The Deckowner3 votesI feel like it's more of a player issue than game issue. Gold/Plat elo is filled with players who don't give a fuck about winning the game. They are either satisfied with their rank(gold end of season reward) or lost their will/ability to climb(all the plat V 0 LP) so they don't even put effort in playing the game. Majority of the games are decided by which team has the player that play troll stuff or doesn't play seriously.
5050BS1 votesThis is not just in Gold/Plat
1/5 of my games are actually games. All the others have some kind of troller. Be that a Feeder/AFKer to a Scripter or Smurf
SpecterVonBaren3 votesIt's because there's so little room for error. URF is a prime example of how having too much damage, and low (Or in URF's case, no) spell cost makes it so that every moment is high strung because you can die at the drop of a hat and then lose so much because of it. When every little action matters so much and the punishment is so harsh you can't have any enjoyment other than winning because the only time that you aren't in real danger is if you're able to delete your enemy much faster than they can delete you.
Snowballing needs to be cut back, damage needs to be cut back, and turnarounds need to be increased.
Cavesloth1 votesThey won't cut it back, they want that paper from making LOL an e-sport, and they think the LCS isn't watchable if matches are too long, so basically they are trying to make the regular game into URF where matches used to only last 20 min, (Now less since the regular game is so snowbally).
3TWarrior1 voteslol, they probably could make it interesting if they cut the cooldowns some but made mana management an issue...that way people can have their spam and then pay for it...oh wait, that was 2 seasons ago XD well, not exactly, but you could play how you wanted and if it didn't work out, you paid the price but you could still come back later by working with team mates
I don't remember how the tank meta came about, but it was brief at least...did it have something to do with item costs?
OnanThaMan3 votesCome over to ARAM with us, pretty chill bunch.
boba drinker 3 votesBalance game = little to no money Making skins = money
Fanbase < < < < Money
Avarist2 votesI've been feeling the same lately too. I rarely see games lasting long, or if they do it's when the team is just desperately stalling.
I wish rift herald and baron were more difficult to kill, or less impactful to the game.
Nagoh Shan2 votesTake a break.
If it's not fun to log in and play, don't for a few weeks or months, and usually when you get back the game seems fresh and the things that were making you not even want to log in tend to not seem as bad.
3TWarrior1 votesor the player is desperate by suffering from withdrawal symptoms and thinks, "it wouldn't hurt"
the game isn't the same as it was years ago and it is causing problems. People still love the game, but the vast majority of the playerbase stick to it out of nostalgia and/or dependency. League is better than 90% of free games out there and has the largest playerbase in the world...so it's hard to make exceptions and be picky for something else
EinarUlfar2 votesBreaks do wonders for League players when they feel disgusted with the state of the game, in my experience. My personal advice is step away and come back with Season 8, just prepare for the mess it'll be until Riot smoothes Runes Reforged out.
mikemcparty1 votesI agree with this. Work has made me very busy, so I can't play league as often. Usually only get 5 or so games a month. I just pick it up, play, do my best, and have fun. That is what video games are for. Interestingly enough, I end up carrying a lot of the time when I come back.
3TWarrior1 votesI have a question...do you work a night shift?
mikemcparty1 votesNo, I am a high school science teacher and a three-season coach.
La Belle Sauvage2 votesFor what it's worth, I have experienced quicker games, but I have been part of comebacks and many games beyond the 30 minute mark.
Granted I'm in B1, where anything can happen, even blowing a 6-1 lead @ 9 minute mark, but according to higher ranked buds of mine (Low Plat/ Low Diamond) it happens to them too.
I disagree on the not fun part.
I hope it improves for you.
HeeroTX2 votes[{quoted}](name=Bello Bagheera,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9thWMJwR,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2017-08-24T18:38:58.400+0000)
For what it's worth, I have experienced quicker games, but I have been part of comebacks and many games beyond the 30 minute mark.
It's kind of funny (and sad) that people consider it notable that they have games go 30+ minutes.
5050BS2 votesI literally have to guess what time of day and what days to play so that my games are not littered with Trolls/ AFKers / Feeders and or Scritper / Smurfs / Paid Boosters
Ranked is so messed up that I cant get reliable teams or even matching MMR teams its impossible to climb.
Others say its fine, I for one seem to have stupid bad luck on who I get on my team.
Also ALL of the people I know that have made it to Plat have done so by getting boosted by a Diamond+ friend. I literally dont know anyone who has SoloQed past gold and I only SoloQ.
