Elise Support - Why I think it'll work...

Adormas·8/6/2018, 3:43:11 AM·3 votes·3,873 views

I got her on ARAM, and realized how strong her base skills are.

She has % health damage on her Qs, decent range in Human form. Her spiderling (W) has a 0.95 AP ratio, is aoe, costs 60 mana at lvl 1 for 60 base damage. Compare this to Fiddles crows - 70 mana, 60 base damage, 0.45 scaling. Of course we assume it hits only once. But the upside is she wont auto push while harassing like fiddles does. Her stun (E) is a VERY fast traveling projectile, at 1075 range, with a 1.6s (lvl 1) stun duration. Her rappel (E) can help scout bushes for ambushes, and assist in getting her out of tough spots.

At around 18-25 minutes, she can easily gain 250-ish ap (with , and , with her max rank W doing 480 base damage + liandrys burn + scorch + aery...which can be a lot!

Thoughts?

PS: I'm too inexperienced to try her out. If an experienced Elise can try her bot lane, that'd be great!

19 Comments

Pale Mask8/6/2018, 6:11:42 AM3 votes

Elise has worked in the support role since her release (in spite of the nerfs). She's very versatile and has strong base values.

If you want to play her as a support, manage your mana and don't spam Q; its damage is pitiful at early levels, it has a high mana cost and it draws minion aggro. Try to look for opportunities to land (at least in human form) a combo. Elise is good at punishing mistakes.

I don't recommend picking her over basically anything unless you're playing with premades who don't mind you not going jungle on Elise or you know what you're doing.

Imo if you want to take her to the lane she's fine as a support, but there are better picks. I prefer to lane with her mid if you really want to do that.

HP Crookshanks8/6/2018, 3:54:24 AM2 votes

Her mana costs are too high at later levels.

BLACK REALM GOD8/6/2018, 3:46:06 AM1 votes

you're looking at early game qualities.

look at her mana regen, her cooldowns, and her scaling as far as her E is concerned.

also consider her defense and hp

Zone of Endless8/6/2018, 4:22:04 AM1 votes

You have to remember W only chases target in range and they can be blocked by minion pretty easily. You can use it to scout brushes but as a harassment tool it's very weak.

Her E can be blocked by minion. It's hard to get an angle when you're in lane. You can't exactly walk up for an angle for an E either since you have nothing to defend against harass. Morg at least has her E to block CC and let her walk up to people. Her W is a good harassment tool as well. Thresh just has a threatening presence and if you let a thresh walk up to you he'll just E into an easy Q.

Play Maokai support instead. He's far more better than Elise.

Elisheva8/12/2018, 12:25:40 AM1 votes

It /can/ work for the same reason pyke support is a thing. Lots of damage. Other than that she isn't very good because she herself needs to get ahead in order to stay somewhat relevant.

Agent Corgi8/6/2018, 4:15:08 AM1 votes

I'm willing to give this a try. I'll come back after a game or two & give you my verdict.

*Edit: Mana costs on her W aren't that bad, neither is the poke. However you ARE heavily dependent on landing your E & you will draw the minions attention if you poke with Q. Unless you're REALLY good at landing skillshots & have solid communication (If you jump on someone in Spider form & your team decides to back out, you're gonna get squashed), I probably wouldn't recommend playing her in the Support-Role in Ranked. In normals, this isn't a bad thing to try out if you want to play something different. I had fun with it from Early to Mid game & baiting the shit out of people with my Rappel or Hourglass was so much fun.

Has decent poke with [W: Volitile Spiderlings]
[E: Cocoon] has massive range & can be useful in snagging someone out of position
[E: Rappel] as you said can help you out in getting out of binds or Chasing down low HP Enemies
She needs a specific team composition & needs Team Coordination to be effective.
Baiting people with your [E: Rappel] Can be fun

Overall, I give her a modest 5/10 in the Support Role.

theChibiTina8/6/2018, 3:49:19 AM1 votes

As a support main, I'm curious about this too now. Elise's jungle isn't great because her kit is to good so she's not allowed to be good. Maybe she could work as a support though. I'll have to ask my friend who's a jungle main and an ex-support main to go bot with me and test this out. If I can convince him to do it, I'll come back and let you know how it goes. I'm not the best ADC, but I'll do it for the cause. Lol.