I feel more mana hungry compared to before...
His E is the only poke damage and connection to his Q to actually hit... How do you expect Sion to catch someone with his Q if you increase his E mana cost, I don't get it. His E inflict slow, damage and reduces armor. His Q needs to be channeled in order to do a real good damage and inflict Stun......
Edit: Alright seems like I have to max out his Q then. That sucks lol cuz it's easily inturrptable as Shyvana ulting lol
Variks the Loyal4 votesYou aren't supposed to use Q just to blindly harass. Yesterday, I was going against a top lane Akali, and dominated her because of smart Q usage, and I didn't even hit her most of the time.
Just the threat of the big red target indicator is enough to make them back away from you. So, you don't hit them. So what? Use it smart. Make sure you also kill minions and push them, forcing them to CS under tower. Use it on top of your cannon minion, to make sure they either miss out on it's gold or get chunked by a fully charged Q.
And every time you do land a Q, follow up with a W explosion. I know I was going against a squishy assassin, but that combo alone almost took Akali to half hp. She never left her turret, and was a non issue late game.
19 19 191 votesYou aren't supposed to use Q just to blindly harass. Yesterday, I was going against a top lane Akali, and dominated her because of smart Q usage, and I didn't even hit her most of the time.
Just the threat of the big red target indicator is enough to make them back away from you. So, you don't hit them. So what? Use it smart. Make sure you also kill minions and push them, forcing them to CS under tower. Use it on top of your cannon minion, to make sure they either miss out on it's gold or get chunked by a fully charged Q.
And every time you do land a Q, follow up with a W explosion. I know I was going against a squishy assassin, but that combo alone almost took Akali to half hp. She never left her turret, and was a non issue late game.
talking about champions who have mobility such as Riven but not as in walking away
Vecuu4 votesAll they did was tweak Sion to be the way he was intended, an axe swinging badass.
His Q should be his signature move, not his E. While he was in a good place scream-spamming, I don't think it was quite how Rito wanted him to be played.
Ser Garland1 votesThen maybe they should make his Q more appealing then just being cheaper. Maybe uninterruptible?
Narasimha2 votesThat would be incredibly OP.
PerishSoftly2 votesJust dodge the spear axe.
Kingsgrave1 votesAll they did was tweak Sion to be the way he was intended, an axe swinging badass.
His Q should be his signature move, not his E. While he was in a good place scream-spamming, I don't think it was quite how Rito wanted him to be played.
As long as his E is super high base damage and low CD, that won't happen.
ElJanitorFrank1 votesIt was his signature move beforehand as well, it just wasn't used as much. I'm sure most champions' signature moves would be their ultimates, they are used less than any other skill.
I loved laning with E, the ability to hit someone from extreme long range, while also need extreme skill to do so was very rewarded. Now Q, it can be used as effectively, but it isn't as fun or engaging to use.
youngjake932 votesWell they buffed the dmg and lowered mana cost on higher ranks of Q to give Sion a meaningful tradeoff. The E max is safer and more reliable, but if you are really good at landing Q and use Q every time you E, why not just max Q now? Your E cost at level 1 is the same as before iirc. Also W might be worthwhile now too. You can't just be like "I'm still gonna max E in every single matchup. Idgaf I like E."
Ser Garland2 votesWhy do we even have a choice as to what ability to level when Riot literally makes it so you can only level one ability first etc or else you lose lane? His poke was a big part of his early game.
Thefriendlyorc1 votesI agree, he even had troubles that most poke tops have, but post 6 he could safety escape ganks with r. Honestly he's a stronger jungle pick now imo. Which sucks.
S H A Y C 01 votesit makes it harder for sure, you just have to change your strategy a little. Dont max E first i guess, maybe stop at 2 pts then max your q first for the laning phase. I think he will still be strong, perhaps start running frozen heart on him, get the glacial shroud first, that should help or do a trinity force build and start with a sheen?
Thefriendlyorc1 votesIt will help until you face a ryze, kennen or Morgana top that will hit you hard with magic harass and you're forced to build frozen heart for the mana/cdr
S H A Y C 01 votesI suppose you could build a righteous glory instead, it builds off a catalyst so itll give you some sustain in lane
Thefriendlyorc1 votesI guess so, I've not really enjoyed that item. I always feel like with sion if you buy a flat health item you're wasting his free stats, like max hp chogath
S H A Y C 01 votesi understand what your saying. But it helps the mana problem, active used correctly can help your team swoop in after you engage with your ult, and 100% base hp regen in the end game will go really well with your spirit visage, locket, and warmogs.
Thefriendlyorc1 votesThat's not my build at all. Hah. Personally I get banshees, sunfire, thorn mail if it's an ad team. I just don't know if I can still justify playing him top without his safety anymore.
S H A Y C 01 votesi usually try to get spirit visage, sunfire, warmogs - locket for ap heavy team, randuins for ad heavy team(occasional thornmail, it is a really good item) and a ravenous hydra.
this typically results in a stupid hp per 5 thats a lot like a garen passive, but all the time. thats my version of "safety" lol
i think hes fine, havent played him since so my opinion is pretty weak atm, but i wont hesitate if i ever get top again.....
Thefriendlyorc1 votesI just find it irritating that champions who are played in a unique was to find counters in the lane they run get nerfs when it's deliberately used as an adjustment to playstyles. ie liss is nerfed because she's 'too overbearing poke' because she was picked to shut down hyper mobiles. Sion was a lane bully who keeps people at an arms length so he can farm, so he can hopefully transition into late game with scaling stats. Guess they want kennen versus fizz up top every Game. -_-
S H A Y C 01 votesI dont know what riot wants, but i have noticed this. If they play it in the lcs...it gets balance team attention. Dyrus starts playing sion top and whadya know sion gets nerfed. He wasnt an overbearing lane bully, he was a good lane bully in quite a few matchups, and others were very difficult poor matchups. Its like kassadin, he got perma banned in the lcs, though they nerf turded him...then he cam back in style and was seeing play again..so we had to take another look at his perfectly reasonable kit and nerf it again.
so i gave up on figuring out what riot is thinking at any given point and play my champions until i cant win with them anymore, or another one does the same job better because of "rito balance"
Thefriendlyorc1 votesHonestly if a pro picks up singed and gets him nerf batted AGAIN I'm going to quit. He's barely viable in lane anymore with the kennens, fizz, and not to mention all the hyper mobile champs and lane bully that gut him when he's weak and keep him there. You are pretty much forced to kill yourself with proxy farming to even stay relevant.
Hell, they even gave him a circumstantial buff to his w e combo that no one even noticed, as it's been bugged for so long and they just now fixed it. His ult got a minor buff because they realized he had a shitty early game and late game.
S H A Y C 01 votesyou can bet if any lcs player decides to play him more than once...he will get looked at
Thefriendlyorc1 votesHe is in the shit tier spot right now. I can't think of a champion he actively counters anymore. Riven kills him, Darius decimates him, rumble out damages him, Irelia out damages and out sustains him...Mundo has his kit but better....I could go on. It's disheartening to see my favorite character in the gutter
S H A Y C 01 votesi dont know, maybe there is a place for him somewhere...singed support? Flip op..?
Thefriendlyorc1 votesHis issue lies with everyone having mobility. Hard to be chased when they can use one ability and end up ahead of you. Hard to use your non damage dealing glue pool when they will just leap out of it, hard to get close enough to actually fling anyone. Hard to deal enough damage when they will out burst your one sustained damage ability. Hard to be tanky when you're getting kite for the entire fight.
S H A Y C 01 voteswell i got nothing for man.
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I feel more mana hungry compared to before...
That was the point... I love Sion but his E poke was ridiculous for how cheap it was, and as someone else said, it's still the same cost at level 1, this just makes it so you have to follow through on your e with a q and/or w to maximize your damage.
Thefriendlyorc1 votesBasically they want his lane phase to only be effective against all in melee with no dashes. So...uhh..hm...um. yeah I can't think of any melee you will actually face in top lane that you will actually hit with q unless they're afk. If you're facing a ranged magic damage type, may as well just afk cause you won't have the mana to harass or the magic defense to survive.
1011001110001 votesI don't really find an issue with Sion, only because I would always get flask on the first back and some mana pots to harass for days.
His jungling is actually better now since he can max Q in jungle and deal more damage to camps, and with chilling smite, he doesn't need to land his e to connect with a Q.
lojician1 votesHis ability to actually beat ranged opponents in lane was not allowed.
iMaB3AST1 votesWait was i the only one maxing q the whole time?
COWmanLord1 votesIf you feel more mana hungry than before then its working as intended. Sion could use E for high damage poke at relatively low cost. Even now 50 mana isn't that bad.