Why would you ever buff Xin Zhao

Onwodori·Feb 12, 2016·44 votes·2,892 views

Xin is beyond over powered right now and he's not getting banned ...

Why was he given assured critical hits exactly? He was plenty strong before. How might I deal with this insane pain in the butt?

-Onwodori

27 Comments

Hayaishi2Feb 12, 201615 votes

Xin Zhao always been bullshit, a champion with limited counterplay like him gets number buffs, god this balance team.

alasarcherFeb 12, 20162 votes

How did u deal before? Same way u deal now. Xin isnt overpowered, he is same as always. He is building hybrid and on hit, so his AD scaling on heal is pointless and his crit damage isnt so high cause he doesnt build that much AD.

Dark NephthysFeb 12, 201612 votes

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How did u deal before? Same way u deal now. Xin isnt overpowered, he is same as always. He is building hybrid and on hit, so his AD scaling on heal is pointless and his crit damage isnt so high cause he doesnt build that much AD.

item 1415 item 3124 item 3153 item 3742 item 3065 item 3009 What exactly can you do to him if he has those items? He's a tank that can heal for a lot of HP every 2 auto attacks and basically kill anyone in under a few seconds. Even if he isn't building a lot of AD the fact that he now heals more and deals more damage when he was already sleeper op before this patch is crazy.

alasarcherFeb 12, 20163 votes

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What exactly can you do to him if he has those items? He's a tank that can heal for a lot of HP every 2 auto attacks and basically kill anyone in under a few seconds. Even if he isn't building a lot of AD the fact that he now heals more and deals more damage when he was already sleeper op before this patch is crazy.

How exactly did buffs affect anything with those items ? Thats less than 100 bonus AD, which is 20 healing extra. And even his crits arent that high. U have to understand, Xin was always like this since devourer, strong heal, fast attacks , but like Yi, he is vulnearable to CC or attack speed slows.

Dark NephthysFeb 12, 20169 votes

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How exactly did buffs affect anything with those items ? Thats less than 100 bonus AD, which is 20 healing extra. And even his crits arent that high. U have to understand, Xin was always like this since devourer, strong heal, fast attacks , but like Yi, he is vulnearable to CC or attack speed slows.

Yea while thats true but that's also the point. He didn't even need any buffs, he was already stupid strong but they buffed him anyways. Now if people wanted to, they can build more AD on him and he'll even be more insane. Before this patch, building more AD past Devour, Rageblade and Botrk didn't really have much benefits but for his auto attacks doing a little more damage. Now that he gets extra healing and crits off of his AD he can now build even more AD if he wanted to and probably get away with it because he'll heal for like 500+ HP every 2 auto attacks, while critting like crazy.

There were so many other champions who actually needed help and should of gotten buffed, but instead they buffed a champion that was already op.

alasarcherFeb 12, 20161 votes

I think, these buffs were attempt to get him back to intended build, to go AD/bruiser. But hybrid is still better. Devourer Xin will never see competitive scene as he is easily stopped, but if they manage to balance him arround bruiser scene, he might see play in top lane or something like that. Xin is like Yi, Nocturne, Aatrox, Jax, Trynda junglers. They will try to stack devourer, and once they do it, u are in for a treat.

Dark NephthysFeb 12, 20161 votes

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I think, these buffs were attempt to get him back to intended build, to go AD/bruiser. But hybrid is still better. Devourer Xin will never see competitive scene as he is easily stopped, but if they manage to balance him arround bruiser scene, he might see play in top lane or something like that. Xin is like Yi, Nocturne, Aatrox, Jax, Trynda junglers. They will try to stack devourer, and once they do it, u are in for a treat.

Yea I could see that, though if they really wanted that they should of lowered the AP ratio of his W to try to persuade people into building him AD/tank like he was suppose to be. I think my biggest problem with this is that, as some one who likes to play Aatrox (though I generally play Aatrox top over jungle) Xin Zhao's W is now basically a much better form of Aatrox's W. Before this patch, Xin would be forced into building AP or hybrid items to really benefit from the healing but now that he has an AD scaling on his W he heals for more than Aatrox and that is suppose to be what Aatrox is built around and what makes him unique.

To me it feels like...why play Aatrox when now Xin can heal more then him while basically having just the same kit as Aatrox but better.

Q: Both of them knock the target up, Aatrox's is slow and easy to dodge while Xin's is an auto attack that can't miss. W: Aatrox heals for some HP OR can sacrifice HP to deal bonus damage on every 3rd attack...Xin can Heal AND do extra damage on every 3rd hit, sure not as high damage as Aatrox's but it still cost him a decent amount of HP. E: Aatrox has a weird projectile slow that is also easy to dodge, Xin's is a gap closer that applies his passive.

The only thing unique between the 2 would be the Passive and Ultimate, which you could argue which is better but I feel that Xin's is much more available and probably more stronger.

alasarcherFeb 12, 20161 votes

He doesnt heal more than Aatrox, Aatrox

Xin- 50 heal 20% ad Aatrox- 45 heal 25% ad + 3x more when under 50% hp.

SrKillaIotFeb 13, 20161 votes

no they should just make him do full ad scaling on all his moves and rework how his heal works in general and actually make him tankier then he is now. This way no hybrid builds on him exist or ap builds. They are stupid to begin with. But that doesn't mean he needs nerfs from a small change like this. All it means is his kit is outdated and needs a complete rework

Rework not nerfs. They need to keep him like this its a much needed buff that he actually needed to stay some what viable in the meta.

Attrox also needs to work done. He is in a bad spot kills himself to deal damage. But if a head is strong just like xin hard to actually 1v1 against cause of passive but if behind just does nothing easily kited. Its why I never understand why riot just releases champions after champions while not actually addressing problem that need addressing.

But there is no money in fixing a old champion. Why I give riot nothing at all of my money. They don't deserve the money and won't deserve it as long as they continue this path. Which they have been on since S2 started.

SrKillaIotFeb 13, 20161 votes

i am sorry xin was actually weak before these buffs. He is still weak after these buffs. These buffs changed no real core problem with xin which is easily kited and isn't really tanky. The items you mention don't make him tankier then he was before his healing gained +20-30 with that build. Overall he only gained a 75% bonus crit on the 3rd AA that is only like 50-100 ish damage increase onto him if he lands the third AA.

FantasySniperFeb 13, 20161 votes

Both the healing and crit scales with AS.

Warlord's also works with the guaranteed crit, I think.

BârdFeb 13, 20161 votes

3 hits.

The W passive is on every third attack, not every third hit. Sated does not effect it.

Dark NephthysFeb 13, 20162 votes

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3 hits.

The W passive is on every third attack, not every third hit. Sated does not effect it.

Sated effects for his heal at least so he heals on every 2 attacks, but yes after looking through it his crit is still every 3rd auto.

AckelopeFeb 13, 20162 votes

the crit is every third attack, i'm pretty sure the heal is still every 3 hits.

HandheldBrandonFeb 13, 20162 votes

Hes not a tank hes a fighter like Fiora and hell you could slap those items on most offensive junglers and get away with nearly the same shit.

I bet if you slapped that shit on aatrox he would be just as bad.

Slap it on Jax and its far worse and same with Yi.

This is not a Xin thing its an Devourer/rageblade thing.

Dark NephthysFeb 13, 20161 votes

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Hes not a tank hes a fighter like Fiora and hell you could slap those items on most offensive junglers and get away with nearly the same shit.

I bet if you slapped that shit on aatrox he would be just as bad.

Slap it on Jax and its far worse and same with Yi.

This is not a Xin thing its an Devourer/rageblade thing.

You're right about that though it definitely is Devourer/rageblade that makes so many champions broken. I personally never thought of Jax as op but with those 2 items its practically impossible to deal with him unless you focus him with 3+ people and ignore the rest of his team (Kind of like late game Nasus..). My friend actually did Devourer/Rageblade Nautilus and was destroying people and almost carried fights by himself.

Burnt LightFeb 13, 20161 votes

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alasarcherFeb 13, 20161 votes

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So thats what people write when they have no arguments?

FantasySniperFeb 13, 20162 votes

Rush item 3143 and get GW items item 3123 item 3165 .

Then pray.

ReshiKillimFeb 12, 20161 votes

Because Riot was tired of the Jax complaints.

Dominick DestineFeb 12, 20161 votes

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Xin is beyond over powered right now and he's not getting banned ...

Does not compute.

HavenscytheFeb 13, 20161 votes

He has always been OP as shit.

BârdFeb 13, 20161 votes

Teemo

kappa

xxxDogmanxxxFeb 13, 20161 votes

Are you kidding me? Xin Zhao was shit for years after the fourteen consecutive nerfs he got from 2010 to 2012. He's less shit now after the buff, but still pretty easy to shut down. Why are people are complaining he's OP? He's like at 44% win rate right now.

Hello GeorgieFeb 13, 20169 votes

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Are you kidding me? Xin Zhao was shit for years after the fourteen consecutive nerfs he got from 2010 to 2012. He's less shit now after the buff, but still pretty easy to shut down. Why are people are complaining he's OP? He's like at 44% win rate right now.

except that he was at 50-53% winrate before the buff

ChaddyFantomeFeb 14, 20161 votes

Xin has been freelo since season 3. I climbed many divisions playing him even tho i am a shit jungler, because his kit is so binary. I cannot fathom why Riot thought buffing him was a good idea.