ludens echo and shiv

Mooing Kev·4/10/2015, 8:45:20 PM·1 votes·747 views

Shouldn't shiv have like a 15%bonus AD ratio or something. I mean it does magic damage and people who get it build LW anyways so later on it's usually sold off for a PD. I think ludens is way too good a of an item and is worth it on almost any mage i can think of and it scales as the game progresses.

8 Comments

Godhri4/10/2015, 8:46:39 PM3 votes

Shiv can crit whereas Ludens cannot.

aaronautumn4/10/2015, 8:47:37 PM3 votes

shiv charges faster unless you cast a lot like cass or something

Mooing Kev4/10/2015, 9:18:00 PM1 votes

Yeh but the thing is ADCs dont get magic pen so that shiv crit of 200ish dmge starts to scale off. Im speaking from personal experience but ludens feels ridiculously strong, whether its viktor and his laser bursting for 500 damage with ludens at lvl 9 or annie who just chucks out spells every 3 seconds each doing doing bonus 120 damage on top her already high burst. Plus mages build void staff so that bonus magic damage stays relevant through out the game. Hence why adcs sell their shiv and get pd.

Reikken4/10/2015, 10:01:34 PM1 votes

Luden's proc is supposed to be stronger. Its stats are less cost effective.

Levyathyn4/10/2015, 11:01:50 PM1 votes

Shiv gives crit chance. Both on the item, and the damage itself can crit.