Is zed really op?

Mooing Kev·1/13/2015, 1:09:09 AM·6 votes·1,981 views

So i've seen a good amount of people mentioning how zed is op now due to the nerf in mana regen making mages have a harder time on against him. Ill break down the pros and cons of zed as best as i can. Pros :

  1. Best laning phase out of all assassins. Zed arguably has the best laning phase of all assassins with his safe waveclear ability/harass with no mana costs. With enough practice his qwe combo can devastate squishy mages often leading to zed's lane dominance.
  2. Strong all in/power spike lvl 6. Personally i think akali has the strongest lvl 6 spike but zeds is probably second best atm. At lvl 6 zed can easily all in some one below 2/3 health usually getting a kill unless its against an ahri or leblanc who knows what they're doing.
  3. Strong outplay/duel potential. Now this is a conditional one cause it is a pro as long as the zed knows what hes doing. I honestly find it super satisfying out playing a super fed riven who has like 500 AD as zed dodging her stun and ult with the shadows. Next to zed i say fizz also has super good out play potential due to his e and q. This also leads to his strength in split pushing late game where he actually is hard to use against coordinated teams.

Cons:

  1. Main damage early is easily countered by 2 items. Until zed builds an IE and raw AD late game his damage can be countered by zhonyas which MOST mid lane mages rush against a zed. On top of that qss price has been reduced from 1550 to 1250 making it an easier purchase for adcs.
  2. Easy to pick up, hard to master. One can simplify zed into as press R and do as much damage during that 3 seconds. However, he has many play potentials and gets gradually harder to play and master as you face better opponents who also understand zed.
  3. Can be useless if not fed/snowballing. Due to the fact zed's burst isn't as fast as someone like leblanc or talon a zed whos behind can be quite useless early and even more so late. On the contrary a behind katarina can easily get rolling if her team's team fight is good and gets her resets going.
  4. Teamfighting ability not as good. Other assassin such as talon, katarina even fizz/leblanc can offer reliable aoe/ cc to the team.( yasuo too if you count him as a semi assassin) However zed offers a small slow and is usually an all in diver who is exposed to the elements for a long time. Sure he can swap out if the enemy has no cc and be safe but what use is he afterwards. He is forced to stay back and wait for his w to be up again to even do anything unless his flash is up to maybe clean up a kill.

The only aspect of zed i find overwhelming is his farming capability with his qwe wave clear. This too has been nerfed when his q originally did 80 percent to secondary targets and is now 60 percent. SO my thought was mayb make it 100 80 60 and further even down to 40. Then again other assassins have good wave clear except akali I guess. Fizz with his E, talon with his rake, leblanc with her W R.

In the end, zed is an assassin and like all assassins can be shutdown with cc/exhaust. His early farming laning phase might seem oppressive but honestly that is ALL he has. Yeah his 1v1 is strong but so is every other assassins out there. I personally thought talon was the most annoying back then due to his super fast burst and the one second silence was all he needed to nullify any attempts to zhonya or retaliate. Now that silence is gone he is an all in assassin who must see the right opening to go in since there's no going back for him.

My final thoughts, I think he is in a strong spot right now due to the changes that have been occurring around him but I definitely don't think he is over powered. ( I am a zed main 1000+ games on him about 100ish in ranked, maybe slightly biased)

20 Comments

BakedLotion1/13/2015, 3:21:12 AM4 votes

wow i never knew zhonya's was a counter to only zed. It's a counter to every burst assassin/mage idk what you're talking about. Stop using it as "evidence" that zed has counters. QSS won't do shit either because you're buying MR for a guy who two shots you with autos.

Most of the time, the mark doesnt even need to pop. His basic skills and autos will kill you before you even know it

forist1/13/2015, 1:49:06 AM3 votes

Zed's not op. If anything his kit is the pinnacle of an assassin's kit, he has the perfect amount of outplay potential, while also being one of the squishiest champs in the game. The problem is these 2 items combined with the way his ult works: item 3153 and item 3142 . Those 2 items fit him too well. If anything riot should look at the items that make zed strong not zed's kit.

Ellphi1/13/2015, 2:00:41 AM3 votes

Zed's not OP

Mages just complain about him because he has one of the most annoying laning phases and will probably kill them a bunch of times.

To the other 4/5 of the other positions in the game, most people don't care about Zed.

EfficientDynamo1/13/2015, 3:17:08 AM3 votes

Maybe not OP, but definitely very safe. Zed doesn't really need to place himself at much risk to get kills relative to other champions, even if he is more easily countered (in turns of negating his kill potential) than other assassins.

Fizz, on the other hand, is much worse. Not as safe, but can troll-pole through skillshot CC or DOT, and then hurt you as comes out of it. Plus, much harder to counter his damage potential.

futuresight231/13/2015, 1:37:16 AM2 votes

I think the general consensus from the solo queue ban rates is that assassins in general are currently OP (5 of the top 10 bans are on assassins). Or that nobody likes playing against assassins in general. I do wonder if item changes are going to be route taken here given that nerfing the assassins one by one will just end up making ADCs the next target of the nerf bat (they will be the next target of QQ after assassin nerfs).

Alpharite1/13/2015, 3:24:13 AM2 votes

I find it funny that just a few months ago, Zed's banrate was >10%, and nobody cried about him. However, because people on Boards seem to not realize that the meta always changes, they just start crying about a champion as soon as their banrate gets high. It's quite sheeplike behavior, for example Akali has had her ridiculous triple gapcloser for a while, but is only complained about since her banrate spiked.

Stonington1/13/2015, 3:33:05 AM2 votes

Yeah, you're right. I don't think I can contest any of what you've said. Zed is quite overrated and the only reason he's strong is because he's an energy user.

Edit: It's also worth noting when they changed his ult to teleport him BEHIND his target he became much stronger.

warpenguin5551/13/2015, 6:44:10 PM2 votes

my only 2 problems are that he has stupid tower dive potential with his ult and extreme split pushing. other then that not much

DPRKSpy1/13/2015, 6:50:44 PM1 votes

I think he just rewards those who are willing to take risks. Granted he has a great poke/farming tool (not having to worry about being OOM at any time is great), which gives him the leg up on other assassins who are mana-dependent and have a shorter range.

Drunk Rummate1/13/2015, 6:59:56 PM1 votes

people say his teamfight is bad, but it's not worse than most other assassins. it's certainly better than shaco, akali or talon, arguably better than fizz or rengar.

really i would say only kassadin, leblanc, and katarina have a definitively better teamfight than zed on the assassin spectrum.

Chaotic Reks1/13/2015, 7:03:12 PM1 votes

*AHEM summoner 21

Poptart Evelynn1/13/2015, 7:06:58 PM1 votes

Broken but not OP. Yes, they mean two different things.

He has too much safety in his kit = broken on an assassin with one combo burst potential.

Kazukes1/13/2015, 9:16:39 PM1 votes

Zed may not be OP, but he is definitely too safe for what he does. Just by existing he forces the enemy mid laner to pick between a zhonyas or a mana regen item first buy. If you pick the zhonya you basically forfeit the lane because you'll run oom trying to harass his sustain and keeping the minions off your turret since he has that resourceless pushing power. If you choose to go for mana regen you leave yourself squishy enough for zed to push out of lane or all in.

Bharhash1/13/2015, 9:29:17 PM1 votes

The problem with Zed is much the same problem with the likes of Fizz, Lee Sin, and Katarina; namely that the skill difference between average players and great players is so wide (not making a Sejuani joke here) that the great players become virtually untouchable with these sorts of champs, making it next to impossible to play against them.

And unfortunately, I don't think that's a problem that could be solved short of massively reworking all four of them, and other champs like them. And that won't ever happen.

MŁNCHLY1/14/2015, 11:29:47 AM1 votes

Personally I have played Zed played vs a Zed and Its really not that hard to play vs. All i see is people complaining that you have to pick the right champion or the right item vs him and that's not right? Well how do you counter most champions? WITH ANOTHER CHAMPION OR ITEM THAT NULLIFY THEIR DAMAGE. Example: Picking anything with a blind vs a auto attack champion. And the whole argument about Zhonyas not working vs him or QSS being pointless is a complete joke. Every high level game I have watched I see Zed becomes useless because people Opt against him Such as exhaust or QSS or Zhonyas or Kayle or lissandra and the list goes on. After watching anyone play vs zed at a high level you can understand that he is easily countered and 1 item makes his ult useless.