Nasus is Useless in the Jungle

Ð É M Ø Ñ··2 votes·1,323 views

Is it just me thinking that Nasus is only viable now in top lane? and thats solely if he gets enough stacks? I wanna jungle with him but every time I've tried it, it doesnt work. Or am I just playing him wrong?

Your thoughts please?

24 Comments

Killstrado2 votes

I'm pretty sure that's the point, he IS a TOP lamer, not a jungler I'm getting tired of people thinking they can jungle with him.

Ð É M Ø Ñ1 votes

Well if you think about it almost any other champion is viable in 2 or more lanes, but not Nasus, all you gotta do is counter him with range and a little cc and hes done for. "Unless you build tanky" but even then its extremely hard to get those stacks. I wanna be able to use him in multiple situations and not only in the Top lane. I mean if I can freaking jungle with a Leona then why the heck can we not jungle efficiently with Nasus?

See my frustration?

AtheosisX3 votes

Plenty of champs are only viable in one lane. Some aren't viable anywhere (hello Evelynn).

Ð É M Ø Ñ1 votes

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Plenty of champs are only viable in one lane. Some aren't viable anywhere (hello Evelynn).

I play a lot of evelyn and shes a very good top, jungle and even mid.

AtheosisX3 votes

Rofl...she's terrible at all three but okay.

Duke Anax1 votes

She needs to be build full hybrid, means she is only good when ahead, but then, oh my.

Onegarion1 votes

You are also only bronze so players aren't punishing you like they should.

KMannnnn11 votes

He's a farm jungler. Nasus's playstyle has always been "build tanky and farm your q til you can one-shot carries." The oly difference is that farm-heavy junglers just aren't as good anymore unless they have infinite sustain like Warwick.

Sightless661 votes

When Nasus was played as a top-tier jungler, he was not played as a farm jungler. He was played for his good wither ganks and his strong objective control with the ability to easily solo dragon at level 6. Farming Q stacks was a minimal priority compared to ganking. This playstyle worked because his utility was always strong regardless of the number of Q stacks. His top-lane "farm endlessly" playstyle has never been successful for jungle Nasus.

Nuggish1 votes

Jungle nasus works fine. You simply do not waste your camps. Dance till your q is up for the last hit on all mobs.

Sachabot1 votes

This plus devourer's works wonders. Although any of the enchants work fine. It's bascially just top lane Nasus out of the top lane.

Ð É M Ø Ñ1 votes

I've tried doing that sir, but early on you simply dont have the health or damage to just "Dance around" and make absolutly sure you get that last hit with Q. And even then if your jungling against a competent Vi, Shaco, Yi, Wukong, jeez like a bunch of other champions your totally just zoned out between trying to worrie about the enemy jungle and "Dancing around" trying desperately to get that last hit for the stack. And even then it makes smiting or last hit smiting the minions completely useless.

Heres an example say your taking red camp and your dancing to get that last hit. Its a choice between smiting early or smiting it dead. And that especially comes into play when you get ganked at any of the camps and then your denied the last hit because you've either already used your smite then was trying to last hit and then they steal the camp OR you saved it just in case but then WOOPS youve taken too much damage and if your ganked smiting it dead would still be useless because you will be killed by the enemy jungler and thus the buff transfer.

And lets be honest Nasus has CRAP for damage early on even with Full ad runes or Ap runes. Im just seeing a major conflict with the %of early game health and damage while trying to balance smite and last hit for stacks.

And for those who say well Nasus is ONLY a TOP LANE thats part of why Im posting on here because like I said, almost every other champion is viable in 2 or more lanes.

Why the heck shouldnt Nasus be? I think he either needs a rework or some sort of change on how his stacks work when in the jungle or something.

Duke Anax1 votes

This is exactly the mistake, that causes most Nasus to fail in the jungle. If you worry about getting stacks you are gonna fall behind in everything else.

Just focus on clear (E) and ganks (w) until you have a good base.

karruck

i play nasus alot so E,W are my mainstays and yes i can gank using them especially if R is up

Xtremey1 votes

he does a pretty good drag solo at lv 6. %hp damage with no cap on monsters is pretty strong.

Duke Anax1 votes

Either there is something wrong with you match history or "everytime you tried" is once and that one doesn't look too bad.

A common mistake of Nasus in the jungle is putting ranks in Q. This is suboptimal, it gives little damage and you are not killing mobs as fast as minions, so the cdr doesn't matter either.

edit: clarified some details. Also don't try to last hit all mobs, that only wastes time and life, start with one small mob, then you have the cooldown back for the big mob, just kill off the other small one and head to the next camp.

What you need to do is level E for fast clears (gold to get ahead!), and W for good ganks (more gold!). My best order seems to be QEWE or QEEW then WRWQW. Then max Q and finish E last.

After the laning phase is over you can start worrying about your stacks, that's why you max Q second, because you have more access to minions.

I'm not entirely sure about Devourer, on one hand he is killing a lot of mobs, so it's gonna stack a lot, but on the other hand he is alread stacking anyway. Juggernaut or Magus would give hjim something he lacks.

Also don't get two spellblades. Except for the AoE on Iceborn, they don't stack.

Ð É M Ø Ñ1 votes

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Either there is something wrong with you match history or "everytime you tried" is once and that one doesn't look too bad.

A common mistake of Nasus in the jungle is putting ranks in Q. This is suboptimal, it gives little damage and you are not killing mobs as fast as minions, so the cdr doesn't matter either. You either level W for ganks, or E for clear.

I'm not entirely sure about Devourer, on one hand he is killing a lot of mobs, so it's gonna stack a lot, but on the other hand he is alread stacking anyway. Juggernaut or Magus would give hjim something he lacks.

Also don't get two spellblades. Except for the AoE on Iceborn, they don't stack.

oh that last game I was bull craping around with a friend in a custom map. But Ive tried playing with him on a friends account cause I wanted to see if he was fun before hand. And he is fun at top so I bought him but then was like OH SHIZ CAN HE JUNGLE? and was trying that. That last game was just to see if hybrid Nasus is any good and it looks like its a beast end game "But that was with bots and lets be honest bots r fking cake." so im not sure if a hybrid build would be viable against other players. I was testing the Spell blades to see if the Spell vamp stacked or not and then it felt like he needed more AP and AD with what build I was toying with. and it also felt like Spellblade was the only item that gave a decent amount of both AD an AP other than a Tri-force but then the lich bane I had would be useless since they dont stack on eachother.

Duke Anax1 votes

I just mentioned that because you did it several times, on Shaco too.

btw I edited some details on my skillorder, just in case you missed that.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

Nasus junglers generally forget to gank. That's probably why you're failing in this gank heavy meta.

Duke Anax1 votes

Yeah and he has such a strong gank too, a couple levels in Wither and they can neither run nor hit back.

Ð É M Ø Ñ1 votes

Alrighty, thanks everyone for the wonderful feedback! And @Duke Anax you've provided me with some very specific feedback that I'm gonna try out. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with me.

Toothless Lion1 votes

Back when the jungle didn't hurt so bad and the camps respawned faster Nasus jungle worked alright and it was a safe way to get near free farm top lane level stacks.

Now I'm not convinced, but you probably could get 300 by 20 minutes if you stack efficiently.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

It's kind of detrimental to play a jungle Nasus imo, so as not trying to being an ass of just complaining while not giving solutions, i give you my Pros & Cons of Nasus jungle.

Pros

  • Very powerful ganks with leveled W, while adding more damage with E for your laners.
  • Good sustain in the jungle, similar to Olaf
  • Prone to counter-junglers due to his devastating damage combos with his WE combo, & natural sustain with his passive.

Cons

  • Damage output will be highly lower than he was in top lane, with the lack of damage from his main source of damage Q.
  • Due to this, he is most highly recommended to be build as a tank jungler, not AD jungler.
  • Has no escapes except for his W. Fighting against sticky jungler champs like LeeSin or Fiora may put you at a disadvantage if not played smartly.
karruck1 votes

True,I would recommend extra HP/AR item such as item 3110 item 3143 combo to offset some tougher opponents

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