PSA: Fix Runes

Parceval·Dec 10, 2016·5 votes·843 views

Hey Riot, I know you've heard this a lot, but...

You really need to fix your rune system. It's broken.

Also, it feels a lot like a pay to win, nobody likes pay to win.

Thanks, <3.

13 Comments

DestructoDaveDec 10, 20163 votes

Half of the flavor, specific runes you guys dream of will not help you a single bit over basic AP/AD pages. Hell, the vast majority of people would simply be better off with the basic pages.

A lot of you would be better off with 15 AD so you could actually get more than 40cs in lane, or actually do some damage with the 3 auto-attacks you get off in a trade, over Attack speed runes which you can't even take advantage of because you are bad.

Same deal for mid. Some of you would be better off with more magic resist so you stop getting destroyed in lane instead of worrying about that 10 scaling CDR you dont even take advantage of anyways.

I dont know what kind of pages you guys are putting together. All I can guess is you go to probuilds or moba fire and blindly copy someone's pages and get mad you cant afford all these different runes that have a pretty low impact on a game, and an even LOWER impact on your own personal game, when most of you would be a hell of a lot better off just picking the bland cheap runes that help you survive and do better in the laning phase.

Having specialized pages over basic pages arent going to help hardly any of you.

ParcevalDec 11, 20164 votes

Do you have a main?

I can promise you, in plat, it matters.

LingLingbabyDec 11, 20161 votes

? What? Maybe in bronze.

Yordle PotluckDec 11, 20161 votes

? You can start with bonus 100 HP, etc. That's a 25% improvement for some. Your logic is ridiculous.

DestructoDaveDec 11, 20163 votes

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? You can start with bonus 100 HP, etc. That's a 25% improvement for some. Your logic is ridiculous.

Over what? Armor runes? AD runes? You are trying to argue over having no runes. Well, basic runes are very cheap.

7641 is the total cost for 2 basic ad/ap pages. Thats all you need.

The only other thing most people will use, is 3xAS quints, 6xScaling CDR. And, you can just use 1 IP tier 2 flat CDR runes to tide you over.

Otherwise you are giving something up for that 100hp. We arent arguing runes vs no runes. We are arguing luxury runes over basic, serviceable runes.

And 2 full pages of GOOD runes is only 7600 IP, and will basically cover any role in the game. Then you can just buy another page, and more specialized runes for your "main."

Because if you have a Main like the other guy says, that means 1 champ so you should have a surplus of IP to waste once you get it, since its the only champ you are playing.

You arent going to magically win a lane because you are running 3xAS quints over 15 flat AD. Actually, most of you would probably lose those trades and that lane, becuase you cant CS well and you cant take advantage of more AA's, etc. Same goes for running scaling CDR over another 6 MR runes. Most of you would probably do better running the damn MR.

Its not a 25% improvement when you are giving up other runes.

ParcevalDec 11, 20161 votes

What you are saying presumes that well over 100 champions can be simplified into two camps.

That is a very foolish opinion, and if this is your main, one I understand. You're very wrong. But, perhaps one day, you'll see the significance.

A Basic IslandDec 11, 20162 votes

he didn't say it's optimal, he said it's fine and good enough

DestructoDaveDec 11, 20162 votes

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What you are saying presumes that well over 100 champions can be simplified into two camps.

That is a very foolish opinion, and if this is your main, one I understand. You're very wrong. But, perhaps one day, you'll see the significance.

No, what I'm saying is the vast majority of you whiners wont even notice a difference, and would probably actually benefit from basic pages that are more fail-safe, instead of playing optimal pages, sub-optimally.

I have 2 accounts; This one has plenty of runes and pages. One doesnt. Do just fine with basic runes on the account that doesn't. Hell, most smurf accounts do.

Very few champions really need pages that are different. Having 10% more CDR than maybe 5%(because you can just use 6 flat tier 2s for 6ip), isnt going to make a diff. most of you will notice. Even you, who thinks he is a god, isn't going to notice 5% cdr on most champs. Most runes people use nowadays isn't even expensive anymore, so I dont know what the hell kind of pages you guys are building.

7600 Ip will basically cover most champions in the game to a point where you arent going to be at any real noticeable disadvantage, and depending on how good you are, could actually be hindering yourself with these specialized pages that usually end up lower on AD or lower on survivability.

I mean, after 7600ip, which is easy to get, you are perfectly free to slowly work your way towards special pages. If you are playing a specific champ that may NEED those pages, then build one of those first. Problem solved.

You can make fun of me all you want, doesn't change the REAL logic that most champs can easily be played on 2 pages perfectly fine.

I mean just looking at your pages, is that full AP rune page actually even good or worth the IP you put into it? Thats a pure, gimmick, luxury page. Is that entire page dedicated to giving Janna 15 AP and 9 AD really worth 6300 IP for a page over just using a basic AP one? Is that Swift AD carry page with 9 AS reds and 3movespeed quints really impactful and worth that much IP? The lethality page is complete luxury. Before you even say you need it, if you actually needed it to play MF, then you would make that page and play MF. If you dont main MF, then why are you making a page that expensive for a champ you barely play? Thats a waste of IP. You dont have a single champ on your most played that will make much use of that page over a basic one. You have an entire page built for a champion you played 16 times. You could throw jhin in there for 20 more I guess. And as someone who plays Jhin himself, you wouldn't even notice a difference except maybe late game, and missing more CS running that page.

I dont have a problem with you spending IP on pages and runes. Thats better than champs. But complaining about it is rediculous when a lot of it is just luxury buys that have very little impact on your game over basic AD/AP pages. I understand if you have something like a specific luxury Arpen page. But having that and then having like 5% of your games played on champs that use it, is a bit much dont you think? I just dont see many instances where you are going to notice huge differences in running 45 flat health runes over 9 armor runes. So you are basically crying over the cost of a rune page that isn't going to make any noticeable differences.

Again, buying all the runes and experimenting and finding optimal setups for you is perfectly fine. But dont sit and tell me its completely detrimental to your game that you dont have that specific setup when we both know its not. YOu probably use like 3 total pages and the rest are basically filler. I have 20 and use like 3. My smurf accounts uses 1. I AD on that acct and thats it. I got some pages I dont even know what they are cause I slapped them together and used them once and just went back to a basic page.

I know you all want 20 pages and all the runes to do rediculous things and have weird, funny setups or setups for weird builds, but those are luxuries and aren't going to magically make you challenger or better. Hell, some of them will probably actually make some people worse.

ParcevalDec 11, 20161 votes

If you're right, and they're insignificant then they should be changed.

If you're wrong, and they're significant, then they're too expensive and they should be changed.

In either case, they need an update.

They're an archaic system that should not exist as it stands 7 seasons into this game.

Simple as that.

DestructoDaveDec 11, 20161 votes

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If you're right, and they're insignificant then they should be changed.

If you're wrong, and they're significant, then they're too expensive and they should be changed.

In either case, they need an update.

They're an archaic system that should not exist as it stands 7 seasons into this game.

Simple as that.

No, they are significant; but they aren't significantly better than OTHER runes. Only significantly better than NO runes. Also, the "Cheap" runes weren't always cheap. Now that they are cheaper, it doesn't diminish their power. So, that's why a basic AD/AP rune page is perfectly fine. People used to pay a pretty penny for those cheap, universally good runes. Now, you don't have to. And again, that doesn't diminish how well-rounded and good those runes are.

Thats exactly why most champs can be played well on basic pages. These are the same pages everyone was using a long time ago, just cheaper.

Bottom line is, these runes were made cheap and available because they are the most picked, the most universal, and some of the best; especially for early game laning, and to help new players out. They weren't made cheap for you to think your super duper specialized rune pages made you instantly better in power. Because, those "cheap" runes were the same prices until Riot knocked them down for everyone.