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Alytrox··22 votes·2,265 views

Buffs to Black Cleaver champions Buffs to Trinity Force champions Buffs to Ninja Tabi that totally fucks Aatrox

As an Aatrox main, i would like to give some examples :

Black Cleaver (3100g) : Darius, Olaf, Fiora, Wukong, Riven, Pantheon, etc. Usually Aatrox items to build against those : Ravenous Hydra (3500 gold)

That's a 400 gold advantage for all these match-ups. Higher base and scaling stats for all of them. With the exception of Wukong, Pantheon and Riven, they all have some sustain in one form or another (so don't bring the "Aatrox has lower stats because he has sustain" argument)

We should count the Ninja Tabi buffs that some usually build, that truly annihilates 12% of Aatrox's source of damage. Meanwhile, Aatrox doesn't have any viable item to build to counter those like Ninja Tabi does for it's cost. They all either do AA + true dmg (Olaf/Fiora), or abilities dmg (Darius/Wukong), so no Ninja tabi efficiency on those

PS: I don't act like they are ALL countering Aatrox in some form, i just want to show how small/incremental changes can fuck-up over match-up. Although, unwinnable matches against a good Wukong/Riven/Pantheon.

PS2: Darius vs. Aatrox is a extremely weird match-up. Most people would say Aatrox fucks-up all over Darius, but that's actually very incorrect. For me is a skill-matchup, because any little trade lost/won can be game-changing.

Trinity Force (3733g) : Jax, Irelia, Hecarim and God knows how many will start building it from now on (Trundle, anyone ?)

Usually the Trinity Force abusers counters to shit on Aatrox.All those stats for just +133g more than Ravenous Hydra (3500g). Actually a good item on Aatrox even with that wasted mana. But if anyone would try Trinity Aatrox vs. Trinity any of the above champs, you will get shitted on.

So, after all those changes of above let's add the :

Meta-tanks : Iceborn + Sunfire + Ninja Tabi tanks. Should we add a Frozen Heart + Ninja Tabi combo ? Let's say we have early game advantages over those. Believe me, in high ELO this means you should play aggressive early vs. those. A good jungler will gank the shit out of you if you try to bully the enemy laner, and before you know it, it rapidly transforms into a 4v5 game.

Marksmen top: Graves/Quinn top lane that stomps on the likes of Aatrox.

So, what's left ? Well, you've guessed it. Nothing.

Ohh, let's continue ignore Aatrox, and, INSTEAD,** let's nerf Battle of Fervor** (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/06/patch-611-notes.html#more) because we buffed Trinity Force. So... what ? After they buff a whole vs. Aatrox champion pool... they ... nerf the only thing that kept Aatrox at a 48% winrate... because they buffed the same champions that counters Aatrox ? So now basically i also receive a nerf vs. the tank-meta champions (Battle of Fervor champions should counter tanks) ????

Meanwhile, compensations buffs everywhere for everyfucking champion when they receive a slight direct/indirect nerfs (Ekko/Zed/Corki, etc.)

Meanwhile, NO. You have absolutely NO reason NOT to buff Aatrox until you rework him.

No, the "frustrating when ahead", it's not an argument. Everyfucking champion is frustrating to playwhen ahead.

No, no matter how much you'll buff him, his kit is EXTREMELY EASY to counter.

I've had games where i had like 10 kills in min 10, and still got one-shotted by a 0 kill burst champion (1k health Aatrox @ min 10-15). Why ? Because a fucking Darius after 10 kills gets from one item all the dmg in the world he needs, while going full tank. By then, a ahead Darius would have around 2k hp, meanwhile, our shit Aatrox has 1k, because " he has sustain".

You have AS slow items. AS slow spell effects, Ninja Tabi. You have the a WHOLE FUCKING dozen of items that can counter him.

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON NOT TO TRY AND CHANGE SOME OF HIS FUCKING NUMBERS.

And if you're not considering this, then : Can we NOT count Aatrox from now on when we're talking about League of Legends champion pool, please ?

30 Comments

Erractic Eick7 votes

I do feel your pain, but Aatrox is a uniquely difficult champion to balance. Depending on his itemization (which in theory should be different in almost every game) he can be anything from a tank to an assassin. I think Riot will soon have an identity crisis for him similar to the one they have with Ekko right now: he was designed to have ridiculous sustain, damage, and early game power, but realistically he will need to build tankish to survive and succeed in the new meta. I don't know if there is any perfect long term plan, but I do agree that in the meanwhile, Aatrox needs some loving, and deserves a buff.

Alytrox3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Erractic Eick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9GVAhYYr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-06-02T10:03:24.083+0000)

I do feel your pain, but Aatrox is a uniquely difficult champion to balance. Depending on his itemization (which in theory should be different in almost every game) he can be anything from a tank to an assassin. I think Riot will soon have an identity crisis for him similar to the one they have with Ekko right now: he was designed to have ridiculous sustain, damage, and early game power, but realistically he will need to build tankish to survive and succeed in the new meta. I don't know if there is any perfect long term plan, but I do agree that in the meanwhile, Aatrox needs some loving, and deserves a buff.

This thread should be all about short-term Aatrox, so yeah, he needs some loving, and deserves a buff.

SnowFall6 votes

Aatrox who?

Alytrox3 votes

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Irelia Bot3 votes

how do you think I feel knowing Irelia is likely going to get perma banned and over nerfed?

Alytrox2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9GVAhYYr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-06-02T07:34:32.695+0000)

how do you think I feel knowing Irelia is likely going to get perma banned and over nerfed?

I feel you. She already had a 7.51% play-rate and 55% winrate for +125 games players in 6.10. I expect her to be in Top 3 winrates this patch.

Nux9aNBykS3 votes

They are busy making money from Hextech Crafting. They don't have enough resources to balance the champ pool.

The Deckowner3 votes

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JadeKnightblazer2 votes

Please for the love of Rito.... @Riot Give us some answers and changes for Aatrox.

B00B001 votes

How about you write out some solution suggestions instead of just moaning and pointing out the obvious

Alytrox2 votes

Why should i bother, when there are like 5 threads/day with Aatrox's changes suggestions. Did any of them get any reply ?

Solarus171 votes

I reposted your post in the American forums in the hopes that morrelo will look at it, he has answered me once before so I am hoping to shed light on the issue

Alytrox1 votes

This post is in the NA forums already (actually this is where you write, right here, lol). There is no need for you to repost.

Solarus171 votes

I agree completely I'm Solaris17 I finished diamond ring last season only playing aatrox have 650k mastery points with him, riot legit ignores him completely he's been underpowered for a long time and now they completely but here's his jungle with the devourer changes HE NEEDS A COMPENSATION

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

RITO, pls!!!

Coolkipp1 votes

Psst dude I have this nice feeling aatrox build you should try, you can thank me later.

http://matchhistory.lan.leagueoflegends.com/es/#match-details/LA1/290665403/37137106?tab=overview

http://lan.op.gg/summoner/userName=coolkippr

You can check the purchase order in the match history thing.

Alytrox1 votes

{quoted}

Psst dude I have this nice feeling aatrox build you should try, you can thank me later.

http://matchhistory.lan.leagueoflegends.com/es/#match-details/LA1/290665403/37137106?tab=overview

http://lan.op.gg/summoner/userName=coolkippr

You can check the purchase order in the match history thing.

45% winrate in your last 20 games as Aatrox. 1.54 KDA.

Is that with your best build ?

Coolkipp1 votes

Fine, don't actually look at any of the games, just use inaccurate statistics with no source.

Not like I was messing around and actually found something that works and don't conveniently get great teams every game like you must. No.

Over the last 20 games the winrate is 50% and the kda is 1.69 with 5.5/5.5/3.9 as my spread. And overall, a 54% winrate and 2.09 kda, 7.0/5.3/4.0 spread.

I even gave you the op.gg link dude, c'mon.

Also did I mention this is working in DIAMOND?

Alytrox1 votes

I only checked your ranked stats. And building crit on Aatrox with Grasp of Undying in some games... just shows that those games were completely stomps, and you'd won then even if building full AP Aatrox.

Coolkipp1 votes

Are you trying to troll me? lol?

That game i wanted fervor but it didnt change when i picked my fervor page, hence why i had defensive masteries.

It was literally one game, lmao.

I legit just hit d3 with this and you're trying to convince me my own build isnt working. Makes me wonder if you even play aatrox.

Alytrox1 votes

Man, if you had the same dedication you had on Aatrox on a META champ, you would probably be Master by now. In all those games you tried this build, you had around 30% kill participation. Basically that means you were left 1v1 on top against Gangplank/ Maokai / and Shen.

These are some of the "EASY" matchups for Aatrox right now. Come again after you try this build in 20+ games and we'll speak more about it.

Coolkipp1 votes

So you're trolling me. Ok dude, coulda just said it.

I guess it's because you're plat or something that you think aatrox just casually beats those champs. I like how you try to play it off as some of the strongest champs in the game being weaker or something, it's cute.

What was the point in stating I couldnt be master exactly?

Also how does it mean I was 1v1? What crazy mechanic are you using to somehow get 100% kill participation in team fights as a squishy melee fighter with weak, long cd, hard to land, short range aoe?

The build has nothing to do with kill participation man, if you notice in my games my kda is different to yours.

Aatrox isn't built to suicide for assists like you think he is. You can keep your talk to yourself, we're done here.

BastionKross1 votes

Most of the time Riot takes into account what champs will be indirectly affected by item changes; but never with Aatrox.

I genuinely believe that there are Rioters on the balance team that forget he exists.

JadeKnightblazer4 votes

{quoted}

Most of the time Riot takes into account what champs will be indirectly affected by item changes; but never with Aatrox.

I genuinely believe that there are Rioters on the balance team that forget he exists.

Very odd when Aatrox is the very first champion on the list... Alphabetically... But I guess they start with "Z" eh? :p

alfavhunter1 votes

How to buff atraxx

His spells can now apply his 3 stack passive up to the second stack when he hits enemy champions

This means he can land his 2 spells and AA once for his passive heal / damage but he cannot AA spell spell for it, the effect can still only be triggered by AAs but can be built up to by spell casts

This makes his kit flow more smoothly with blood well passive

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

League has 130 champions. I can't find this "AY-trocks" among them. Did you misspell it?

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Why are people stacking armor? Because physical ranged carries are too prevalent with excessive damage & safety. Mercurial scimitar & maw of malmortius give a bunch of magic resist and damage; the phantom dancer & death's dance allow them to kite with ease while getting damage reduction; infinity edge & triforce, again ridiculous unavoidable spike damage; dominik's regards flat out denies tanks from surviving a couple hits between it's 45% armor penetration & +15% damage bonus against anyone with 500 more health.

I agree though I'd rephrase your line about atroxx against graves or quin. Any melee without a significant gap closer, has a frustrating time fighting most marksmen.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

You could probably just build Triforce on Aatrox now too. He certainly likes all the stats on it now.

JadeKnightblazer1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Slamurai Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9GVAhYYr,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2016-06-02T18:43:28.013+0000)

You could probably just build Triforce on Aatrox now too. He certainly likes all the stats on it now.

If W procs would work with Triforce, then sure. But Q and E have to long of a cooldown to activate it. Also most of the time Q and E are used within gcd from each other, where the Triforce cooldown you must space it out for what 2-3 sec? Lastly, if you play Jungletrox, Triforce just costs too much :(

BloodyTompon1 votes

The butterfly effect is real? It wasn't butterflies. It was those bloody critters that move around in the bush. Their movement added up and eventually caused a hurricane to destroy Dominion so Riot had to take it down (Too soon?). Now it's causing Aatrox nerfs. :(

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