What's up with Juggernauts? Specifically Garen

CreationFlaw·9/6/2015, 5:17:20 AM·15 votes·5,589 views

I mean, they shouldn't be able to rival a fed Yi in damage. Not only that, but be super tanky as well. I mean, I was fed by going midlane and completely putting their yasuo down. Not only that, but the fact that I participated in 16 more kills compared to garen and still am out damaged frustrates me.

Or that they can also be tank busters while being tanks themselves. 1600 hp true damage execute at 1/3 hp is pretty stupid.

I understand you want them to be threats, but you shouldn't have to worry about a garen being able to Q, e for one second and ulting a carry on your team to kill them with one damage item.

58 Comments

Koechophe9/6/2015, 5:23:55 AM14 votes

Riot wanted to make a less-mobile class of characters that had high damage and tankiness in exchange for low mobility. Except garen and skarner have high mobility. Imho darius is balanced well and mord is.... well, mord is a bit of a mystery, but at least he has weaknesses. If you're going to make people's weakness be low mobility, for goodness sakes, DONT GIVE THEM TONS OF MOBILITY!

disregardable9/6/2015, 5:19:30 AM7 votes

Yup. No weakness freelo.

Malix Farwin9/6/2015, 5:24:36 AM6 votes

Its the juggernaut meta now.

Häßlich9/6/2015, 1:48:35 PM5 votes

Looking at meters from one game doesn't tell you anything. Even from 100 games may not mean much considering how his spin pads his numbers if he does it on multiple people at once (which is your team's fault for standing in it). Garen ate a ton of nerfs to get that villain mechanic and slightly more end-game scaling on his E. I find the whine hard to take seriously. There's just too much other stuff involved. If you take nothing else away from it, consider these two points:

Riot wants Juggernaughts to be kited as the primary means of counter-play. If he gets in your face, or your team lets him roll in the middle of you all, you have failed to play against him properly.
Juggernaughts are a new thing. There's plenty of tweaking to do, and we probably won't see them in a proper place until early-mid Season 6. That's just how balancing goes.

Zorae429/6/2015, 1:42:19 PM4 votes

I'm confused, he did less dmg than master yi. And his bars all seemed relatively similar to Renekton's who also built full tank +2 dmg items... And they lost.

Why are you complaining again?

UltraSceptile9/6/2015, 2:09:25 PM3 votes

They're broken.

Rinky Dinky9/6/2015, 8:06:28 AM3 votes

Yes they should.

Damage is all they bring

SaltyKracka9/6/2015, 5:24:15 AM3 votes

Garen, Darius, and Morde are overstatted at the moment, yup.

Raptamei9/6/2015, 2:18:52 PM3 votes

Riot should just revert all of them, the game was better before this patch.

Deadly Mittens9/6/2015, 3:17:48 PM2 votes

Tanks, Bruisers, and especially long range poke champs, frequently out-net damage high damage assassins, because while they're dps is lower, their time in combat/dealing damage is higher. This is further compounded when you compare largely single target damage, like yi, to mainly AoE damage champs like Sergeant Spin.

Bulletproof Car9/6/2015, 8:11:09 AM2 votes

only mobility garen has is his q which gives move speed buff and removes slows throw a fuckin morg q at him problem solved

Auroramancer9/6/2015, 4:10:39 PM1 votes

The damage Garen deals to his Villain. %max HP damage. That's why.