Sooooo... Any news on that Shaco rework?

Zyvux··5 votes·1,184 views

I remember back in february you guys said that you are working on a Shaco rework, and that it would be done this year. Not that I'm holding you guys against it, as you said deadlines can change a bit, but all I want is an update on how the project is going along. You said that you would do it after Xerath, Skarner, and Sion got their reworks, and since all 3 of them did I am assuming shaco would be next/very soon?

Btw here is my source: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/02/red-post-collection-update-on-shacos.html?m=1

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HellMuff1 votes

Eh i fear it happening. I dont know how hard they will change him, and they are probably going to shiv his AP ratios.

thePandev1 votes

Haven't seen one good Riot rework except for Eve who got nerfed 1 month later.

Skarner, as a previous main, got absolutely ruined.

Same with Viktor.

Sion doesn't need explaining.

Heimerdinger is another one, but still, nerfed.

So I'm scared for the Shaco rework, he really is effective in ways, and that's why he's commonly used by high elo players, but, I fear.

Cindikle5 votes

Most of the reworks came out fine.

Sion went very well. He was a mess before but what he does as a champion is very clear and he does it well. He won't change the meta. But it was overall a success.

Viktor's went very well. People disliked that he was always picking the same item. Now that item has a lot in it for the slot and he gets a lot of utility. He gained a lot and really only lost his silence.

Soraka overall improved. The fixed the issues she had while keeping her image.

We don't talk about Cassiopa

Sona's was well done as their aim was to remove her hidden power. And she can play different ways now. Staying in the fight means she can use her aura's for the team better. Staying back means she can play safer like she used to, but doesn't give her team a bunch of free stats. IMO well done.

Skarner I've heard different comments. I don't think much about him has changed overall. They just made him more like Hecarim. Overall i don't have room to talk as I've hardly touched him and he's still rare to see.

Nidalee overall an improvement. But they still can't seem to get her numbers right.

Rengar overall an improvement. Ended up not mattering really once people learned they could still instagib ADC's. But he has a more secure place in the game. Even sees pro play now.

Gragas was a one of the better updates. They made him exactly how they wanted him. And he gained a lot of flexibility in rolls and lanes with that.

Kassadin is overall healthier for the game. Still a pita though.

Hiemerdinger was a great success. IMO everything about him improved.

Xerath's update was a success. But they did hurt his image as a champion. But it is understandable why they did what they did. Being able to WRERQR and easily destroy targets with little room for retaliation wasn't healthy.

Sivir was improved. Although they could undo some of her previous nerfs. What made her strong at that time isn't as much of an issue anymore.

Olaf... is Olaf. Just make him manaless already so he can eat ranged in top. (Attach his W's lifesteal to his ult like Sivir's W's AS boost is on her ult)

Mastery Yi was a success.

Trundle I don't know much about, but my understanding is that he didn't really change that much. But he does see more play. And seen in pro games.

Sejuani overall similar to Skarner. But I do know she was Op for a while after the rework. But she was never really weak to begin with. She just couldn't survive the jungle and be useful to her team early enough that S3/4 junglers were heavy on.

Karma's rework was a success. Like Xerath she got her image hurt quite a bit. But is overall healthier as a champion. Honestly if they found a way to keep the shield bomb they probably would of gotten much less hate. (Make her RE deal 1% bonus damage for each 1% Hp the main shielded target is missing, this still deals less damage than RQ btw.)

Gameplay updates before that are from before my joining League. Most of the reworks Riot has done are successes.

Sej/Skarner's problems mainly are the jungle. Both are monsters in teamfights and will put out a lot of CC and damage.

Nidalee just overall has a toxic kit. Maybe if they just removed the heal? Don't think that would really fix her, but it may help punish bad mistakes.

Olaf needs to be manaless. limit his lifesteal so it's not OP in lane, limit his Q'ing, but not enough that he's punish if he has to use it farm.

Zyvux1 votes

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Haven't seen one good Riot rework except for Eve who got nerfed 1 month later.

Skarner, as a previous main, got absolutely ruined.

Same with Viktor.

Sion doesn't need explaining.

Heimerdinger is another one, but still, nerfed.

So I'm scared for the Shaco rework, he really is effective in ways, and that's why he's commonly used by high elo players, but, I fear.

The only bad rework so far was cass, and compared to the successes the guy above me posted, i think the shaco rework would be a good one. Right now he really lacks any sort of identity, aside of being annoying and hard to kill. I trust riot will do the right thing with him, but yeah they will probably remove ap shaco.

Meep Man1 votes

How about some news on the

Diana Changes Evelynn Rework Gangplank Rework Poppy Rework Ryze Rework Taric Rework Tristana Rework? Yorick Rework

too

Zyvux1 votes

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How about some news on the

Diana Changes Evelynn Rework Gangplank Rework Poppy Rework Ryze Rework Taric Rework Tristana Rework? Yorick Rework

too

The thing is is that almost all of those champs have a "role/identity" in league.

Diana is an ap assassin/bruiser. Eve is basically an ap rengar. Gp is the only melee carry with actual ranged poke. (Alpha strike doesnt really count.) Poppy is the only one here who has an identity crisis as well. Ryze is fine where he is. Taric just needs buffs. Trist is fine as well. Yorick could use a rework, but he at least has an identity of being a minion summoner, so he can wait until after shaco/poppy/urgot, who have more pressing issues.

Meep Man1 votes

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The thing is is that almost all of those champs have a "role/identity" in league.

Diana is an ap assassin/bruiser. Eve is basically an ap rengar. Gp is the only melee carry with actual ranged poke. "Alpha strike doesnt really count." Poppy is the only one here who has an identity crisis as well. Ryze is fine where he is. Taric just needs buffs. Trist is fine as well. Yorick could use a rework, but he at least has an idemtity of being a minion summoner, so he can wait until after shaco/poppy/urgot, who have more pressing issues.

You saying Shaco doesn't? He is a chaotic assassin that kills people in more indirect ways. Also, Eve AP? I thought that died out a couple patches ago. Also I agree Tristana is fine but they told us they planned a rework for her or at least more than minor gameplay changes. Finally, Yorick is not really a minion summoner. He is more of a super sustain poke Top with his minions being a small side effect, excluding the lifesteal minion.

Zyvux1 votes

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You saying Shaco doesn't? He is a chaotic assassin that kills people in more indirect ways. Also, Eve AP? I thought that died out a couple patches ago. Also I agree Tristana is fine but they told us they planned a rework for her or at least more than minor gameplay changes. Finally, Yorick is not really a minion summoner. He is more of a super sustain poke Top with his minions being a small side effect, excluding the lifesteal minion.

The thing with shaco is that really, only his q, passive and ult give off the chaotic assassin feel. His e, being ap, doesn't do anything for his ad build, and his w makes zero sense in the kit ouside of bronze as there, its only purpose is to place it behind the enemy so when they run they walk into it. And the ap build, while it at least has SOME cohesiveness, it is about as fun to play against as the old ap nid. Not a good overall design nowadays. His kit is very outdated, just like poppys and urgots.

And as for ap eve, it still works actually.

Droogzy1 votes

Shaco is in a weird place, his kit is not very cohesive, but it ties strongly into his lore, which to me makes him alright where he is.

I just hope they're careful about reworking him, his ability to run either an AP or AD build so well is what I like about him.

Zyvux1 votes

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Shaco is in a weird place, his kit is not very cohesive, but it ties strongly into his lore, which to me makes him alright where he is.

I just hope they're careful about reworking him, his ability to run either an AP or AD build so well is what I like about him.

Considering that Riot replaced their lore department with a bunch of highly trained monkeys, using lore as your defense isn't a very good idea.

Droogzy1 votes

Fortunately Shaco's lore has been left intact so far and defense? I'm not entire sure what I'm trying to defend, just commenting on a potential rework.

Zyvux1 votes

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Fortunately Shaco's lore has been left intact so far and defense? I'm not entire sure what I'm trying to defend, just commenting on a potential rework.

I meant as in your defense for why he is alright. Sorry about the confudion.

Droogzy1 votes

Ah gotcha, well I wouldn't be completely oppose to a rework nonetheless, I do like cohesive kits.

Zyvux1 votes

5 more days left until 2014 ends. I'm ok if they didn't keep their promise, but at least acknowledge that you didn't instead of staying silent. Or maybe they are waiting until 5 minutes before new year just to troll us? Rito pls.

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