Gangplank PBE nerf is too harsh!

Superior Current·9/8/2015, 8:55:45 PM·81 votes·6,901 views

Powder Keg (E) bonus physical damage to champions lowered to 40/50/60/70/80 from 80/110/140/170/200

You have 120 less damage at max rank and considering Gp builds critical chance and IE you lose up to 300 damage! This is too much!

Ok, I agree he is a bit too strong, but the current nerf is totally over the top. A value like 60/85/110/135/160 sounds more acceptable.

EDIT: Seems like I have made a wrong assumpsion and the bonus damage to champions does NOT crit, which makes the nerf not that big. Sorry for misleading you! But still 120 less is a bit too much and should be partially reverted, imo.

91 Comments

AkabaneKun9/8/2015, 8:57:07 PM35 votes

They really don't want him in the LCS.

ZephyrDrake9/8/2015, 9:02:30 PM24 votes

this PBE patch is pretty much the "let's gut as many champions as we can!... but we gave Jarvan 2 more base armor!" patch

Deathtenfold9/8/2015, 9:09:30 PM21 votes

Now share with me the part about the powder kegs ignoring armor.

Matezoide9/8/2015, 9:41:02 PM10 votes

> Old Rank 1 Barrel will be stronger than new Level 5 Barrel (Dont forget the armor pen nerf)

The fuck is Riot doing

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Shadow Gilgamesh9/8/2015, 9:35:21 PM7 votes

Given it's cost, damage, and versatility it needed a heavy nerf.

You can set them up from outside the range of most gap closers, can chunk even the normally poke resistant champs like Nasus if they try to farm or clear a barrel because of the bonus damage and armor pen, cost him nothing, and he can even use them to poke under tower with no retribution with Q detonation.

I would have rather seen his placement range nerfed, or that the bonus applies to chain detonations and not single barrel detonations or something rather than a nerf to the bonus damage and armor pen

DreamLeviathan9/8/2015, 9:07:49 PM4 votes

What? No, I doubt you'd be losing 300 damage on a crit. The barrel's bonus damage against champions is probably a flat amount added after the auto-attack/Q's damage.

SaltyKracka9/8/2015, 9:37:47 PM3 votes

Oh noes, now he'll actually have to deal damage by spending mana or -le gasp- using autoattacks! Quelle horreur!

Trebbi9/9/2015, 1:22:03 AM3 votes

I think you will only loose 120 physical at max rank(because its added on top of what you crit), which is substantial, but it wont be that which will kill him from seeing Pro plays, but actually the 0.25 delay they have already introduced between barrels to stop him from triple barreling.

Shakeyy9/9/2015, 10:34:18 AM2 votes

ehhh it does shit on tankplanks barrels and gp's early-mid damage a bit but his lategames more or less the same, whats annoying is how theyre encouraging a champ to almost become a farm bot. One thing thats really irritating is the delay on his barrels though, id rather have that gone

Ignis09/9/2015, 11:50:29 AM2 votes

Am I the only one here fine with this?. The barrels could half shot+ anyone mid to late game. This is the real nerf he needs not the -10% armor pen.

720rektm99/9/2015, 1:06:27 PM2 votes

not to mention he has 50% armor pen on his barrels, id say its pretty fair. Clearly you havent had a gp one hit your entire team.

Cosnirak9/9/2015, 6:23:30 PM2 votes

While I agree that this nerf isn't the right option I can see that his barrels do need a change. The nerf I'd like to see is a small reduction to the range you can place them. This would really accentuate the counterplay of killing or just not standing on his barrels. The damage is justified if it's actually hard to do. Right now it's not that hard.

A Demon9/9/2015, 8:10:09 PM2 votes

it been updated on PBE today

E "bonus damage to champions changed to 60/90/120/150/180 from 40/50/60/70/80" [Still a nerf vs the live value of 80/110/140/170/200]

E "armor ignore lowered to 40% from 50%"

Sukishoo9/9/2015, 5:45:47 PM1 votes

It's needed.

kaykalos9/9/2015, 5:48:53 PM1 votes

because riot dont want one trick champions to succeed at their objectives effectively, they dont want ad meeles to sucked ( ad assassins or fighters ) competitive , they nerf them after few weeks or one month, but for apcs or adcs is a different story even with good results they nerf them after months

gaby1best9/9/2015, 8:57:37 AM1 votes

Public BETA Environment.

Remember *: The PBE is a testing grounds for new, tentative, and sometimes radical changes. The changes you see below may be lacking context or other accompanying changes that didn't make it in - don't freak out! These are not official notes.

I'm not happy with the change, but it's still PBE. I'm sure Rito won't let a weak GP go live. If (beta) testing proves the nerfs are too harsh it will be reverted.

Blacknemesist9/10/2015, 3:17:00 AM1 votes

It would be bad if it didnt ignore 60%(I think) of armor. Also its on PBE, value might be tuned up before it is ready for live.

Chuck Charles9/9/2015, 7:07:10 PM1 votes

you are talking about 160 dmg when his barrels are currently critting with a few items for close to 1000 aoe...if not more. and it ignores armor. so it shreds everyone including tanks. this nerf imo is fine. they kept the armor pen close to where its at and justified that by weaking the base bonus damage. it is not too harsh.

Totalis9/9/2015, 5:44:02 PM1 votes

reminds me of that huge sivir q nerf right after they reworked her (Damage changed to 25 / 45 / 65 / 85 / 105 from 60 / 105 / 150 / 195 / 240).