Riot please can we bring back AP Janna?

Sincarnation·2/18/2016, 11:58:26 PM·3 votes·966 views

AP Lulu has been really strong even since the support scalings were added to her kit, and when Janna got hers she was hit with heavy handed Q nerfs so she couldn't waveclear nearly as well as she could before. The game has changed, there are anti-stall tactics in the game now in the form of dragon and anti-wave clear in baron. Can we please allow AP Janna to waveclear and maybe be a good pick in a solo lane?

If we can't have that can you please remove the AP Scaling from Whimsy? Atm it seems like Lulu does most things Janna would do only much much better.

Both Q's have the same function effectively with Janna's being better counter-disengage and Lulu's being better a getting picks. Takes 2 Q's to clear waves, difference is Lulu's Q is on a 4 sec cd later. Ap Janna W makes her uncatchable, AP Lulu W makes ANY ally uncatchable or silences an enemy Ap Janna E Shield provides AD (damage), shield (hp) and can be used on Towers. AP Lulu shield provides Pix (magic damage) shield (hp) and can be cast on enemies for damage/true sight Lulu Ult knocks up enemies and saves an ally; Janna ult knocks back enemies potential team heal.

AP Janna and Lulu both do very similar things, but with some key differences. AP Lulu has far more openings for versatility and options in how her abilities are used, whereas Janna's abilities are almost locked into purely defensive useage. Not to mention AP Janna's laning phase is nowhere near as toxic as lulu's lane bully nature. You might not kill a Janna, but you won't die because she harassed you out with targeted damage and nearly targeted skillshots. Uncharged Q's don't really hurt, and if they charge they are far easier to dodge. Her W costs a her a lot of MS making her very vulnerable to counter-attack, and her is doesn't have the option to damage enemies. I'm not sure why AP Janna was deemed toxic and bad for the game despite her counterplay, while Lulu is allowed to roam around doing very similar things better in many aspects.

19 Comments

Shroom Junkie2/19/2016, 12:09:22 AM3 votes

To be fair, trying to gank Janna is like trying to eat out of your butt... but ganking Lulu is a lot easier if you at least have a dash or ranged CC(dash and melee CC... OR ALL! waw).

But yeah, Lulu is in a lot better place.

MisterHealYoGirl2/19/2016, 12:13:57 AM2 votes

I think you're selling Janna a bit short; her Q is MUCH better CC than Lulu's (a 1.25 second AoE knockup > rapidly decaying line slow), and the AD from her E not only scales with her ADC's crit chance and armor pen (and work against towers), it's also guaranteed; Pix's bolts collide with the first target, making them unreliable at best. Lulu and Janna's ults also have slightly different purposes; Lulu's is best for counterengage, while Janna's is best for flat out resets.

Basically, AP Janna mid was deemed toxic because you didn't NEED to kill your lane opponent, and in fact shouldn't even try. As AP Janna, you just stayed mid and cleared until the cows came home and your ADC got to lategame. She was utterly uninteractive.

Athenes Lulu2/19/2016, 1:04:36 AM1 votes

Bringing supports outside botlane is one thing, but being extremely anti-interactive and obnoxious to go against is another.

Lulu solo was acceptable because it actually allows interaction, such as camping the crap out of her lane. Can't really do that against a Janna.

Mysticman892/19/2016, 3:13:27 AM1 votes

I've seen solo lane janna* a couple times since preseason (in normals), and she actually did well in both cases, so she's not necessarily completely useless. I suspect part of that was due to the skill matchup being in the jannas favour (as they probably wouldn't have picked her if they weren't confident) and part of it due to people having no idea what to do versus a lane Janna (and then doing the wrong thing), but she's more viable currently then say, Tahm kench ADC. It might be fun for janna fans to be able to lane with her more effectively, but I can see how she might be frustratingly difficult to deal with if she had reliable waveclear on top of all of her disengage.

*= I prefer to refer to lane janna rather than AP janna, as it's not uncommon for support jannas to build AP anyway due to the nature of her kit gaining more utility (bigger shields+more AD for the carries, bigger ult heals, faster movespeed) with AP, instead of simply gaining increased dmg/kill potential like most other supports.

Twitch Chat2/19/2016, 3:58:04 AM1 votes

Why would you ever want that back?

Sincarnation2/19/2016, 7:42:08 PM1 votes

A champ having boring lane gameplay isn't toxic or bad for game health, and its not a justification for nerfing something.