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So... I was just scrolling through the new PBE balance changes...

Stiv1234··40 votes·5,046 views

I was so happy! So many cool changes!

Fizz

  • Seastone Trident (W) active's damage chnaged to 10/15/20/25/30 (+.3 AP) from 10/20/30/40/50 (+.25 AP)
  • Chum The Waters (R) [tooltip now specifies "magic damage" is amplified]

Kalista

  • Sentinel (W) passive damage lowered to 10/12.5/15/17.5/20 from 12/14/16/18/20
  • Fate's Call (R) cooldown increased to 120/90/60 seconds from 90/75/60.

Karma

  • Focused Resolve (W) cooldown lowered to 12 at all ranks from 16/15/14/13/12

Draven

  • League of Draven (Passive) now gets a bonus when killing 6 minions in a row without dropping an axe.

Syndra

  • Transcendent (Passive) - Dark Sphere now deals 15% bonus TRUE damage to champions instead just increasing damage to champions by 15% - Scatter the Weak width increased up to 100% from 50%

Then I got to the bottom...

Zed

Shadow Slash (E) damage increased to 80/130/180/230/280 from 60/90/120/150/180

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m99hb5ApIy1qc7mh1.jpg

52 Comments

Miraweave56 votes

It's a bug.

Salt and Veigar9 votes

Khazix ?

MarshallBananna42 votes

Worlds coming up + Zed Skin coming up + Unnecessary zed buffs

=

Sick LC$plays and skin $$$$$

IcyPepper6 votes

Seems pretty transparent to me.

Not to mention they're partially reverting a nerf, something you don't see a lot of (Kassadin where?). The Zed buff would be justified if they upped the cooldown and/or the energy cost of his E, if their goal was to make him less spammy and more hurty in the late-game. Or if they removed his W passive >.>

Also, you forgot armor nerfs. Zed W passive is ready for Worlds.

blueberrypancake1 votes

Although that is true Zed's E always felt underwelming but i don't know the last time I really played against Zeds was in season 4 when i mained Kayle

revliledpembroke10 votes

A Rioter said that the Zed buff was a bug, so....

Mr Broken Wings11 votes

100 base damage is a bit too much, seriously lol. Thats just so stupid it just cant be true, probably a mistake or something. I mean who would think that a 50% winrate champion needs a gigantic buff? Nobody can be that stupid.

DorkunedAuras3 votes

It's been stated it's a bug, and was not intentional. 20 bucks says it will be reverted or otherwise reduced by tomorrow.

EcoWolfBlade8 votes

Everyone freaks out on stuff like this, but this is the PBE. There is always a HUGE disclaimer--

(Warning: PBE Content is tentative and iterative - what you see may not reflect what eventually gets pushed to live servers! Manage your expectations accordingly. )

This is the first cycle after 5.16, might as well put up the more drastic changes so they can be tweaked (or removed) earlier.

Stiv123424 votes

Yeah, just like those other monstrosities that made it through alive...

Kalista item 3930

EcoWolfBlade7 votes

{quoted}

Yeah, just like those other monstrosities that made it through alive...

Kalista item 3930

Well... Riot has stated in the past that they pretty much ignore player feedback on the PBE, so the cries of "Devourer OP" fell on deaf ears. Of course, Riot Repertoire is a pleasant exception that worked with the community on Garen, Darius, and Skarner.

. . . but not Morde. x3 (That was someone else's project.)

I was merely trying to say that things usually go through several incarnations on the PBE, with their most extreme tests popping up around the first cycle after a patch.

Bijorn1 votes

Unfortunately when it comes to buffs of champs like Zed or the ones that are known to be very flashy, things rarely get reverted back to live state. I would not be surprised that this goes through as it sits.

With armor and Cinderhulk nerfs, this throws Zed right back into mid lane to dominate the game once again.

ElJanitorFrank1 votes

Except Kalista and Devourer weren't completely out of no where.

Riot clearly knows that the last thing Zed needs is a buff to his damage. This was confirmed to be a bug a while ago.

Gorgannan1 votes

There have been PLENTY that didn't though, we just don't remember them because they don't get through.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

Ekko Azir Kalista Jinx RekSai

MarshallBananna6 votes

Remember when item 3302 made it's way into live and 20 minutes later it broke the entire game to the point people where running 2-1-2 lanes and even junglers and ADCs where taking it?

good times

Feathermane3 votes

{quoted}

Remember when item 3302 made it's way into live and 20 minutes later it broke the entire game to the point people where running 2-1-2 lanes and even junglers and ADCs where taking it?

good times

You mean, when the meta was actually challenged and this hypocritical community couldn't take it? I remember it well.

Rustling Bush1 votes

{quoted}

Everyone freaks out on stuff like this, but this is the PBE. There is always a HUGE disclaimer--

(Warning: PBE Content is tentative and iterative - what you see may not reflect what eventually gets pushed to live servers! Manage your expectations accordingly. )

This is the first cycle after 5.16, might as well put up the more drastic changes so they can be tweaked (or removed) earlier.

yes because we know how many things get change in PBE, thats why sated came to us in its present form even though alot of people said it was to strong. hue

Señor Karthus1 votes

{quoted}

Everyone freaks out on stuff like this, but this is the PBE. There is always a HUGE disclaimer--

(Warning: PBE Content is tentative and iterative - what you see may not reflect what eventually gets pushed to live servers! Manage your expectations accordingly. )

This is the first cycle after 5.16, might as well put up the more drastic changes so they can be tweaked (or removed) earlier.

Since when they listened to the PBE players and didn't throw live anyway anything even after huge backlash from everybody who tried it? Because the last one I remember was Debonair Galio. Huge deal if you let me say. /sarcasm

Meanie402 votes

PBE isn't used for testing. It's for "let's try out all the new content free!!!!!!!!"

And for the outlying 5% that actually tests, Riot ignores whatever they say.

Kuroi861 votes

It's largely for bug testing, and with a few exceptions it does it's job fairly well. Besides, Riot has better ways of acquiring data to use for balancing.

Rozzeta2 votes

Believe me it's actually pretty rare for a change pushed through in PBE to be called back.

SirTauntsALot5 votes

What u mean that the syndra buffs are necesary? true damage? Really? I mean she already can delete the squishys with one R which is targeted btw. WHy would you give her those buffs? it doesnt make sense. In the meantime they broke garen beyond belief. garen is so broken atm and there are more to come.

What i dont get is we have soraca who needs lots of love in order to make her at least playable. Her e needs a small buff and so does her q. her passive is nice but i feel that amongst the supports she has one of the worst passives.

Devack The Holy2 votes

Because:

  1. Her Q costs WAY too much mana for relatively small damage.
  2. Its only effective after Level 9, when most Syndra players will finally max their Q, giving it the passive effect.
  3. It only affects Q. NOT her Ult.
  4. Syndra suffers from the pre-rework Ashe effect (Passive only useful under certain conditions (MAXING SPELLS))

And SORAKA buffs?! You're begging for SORAKA buffs?! DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED AFTER HER REWORK?! Hell, she's still a nightmare in ARAM.

Personally, I'm happy for the Syndra PASSIVE buffs. (Which is what they are, and if everyone can calm down and remember her passive, it only applies once the spell is MAXED, not before, which means she doesn't even HAVE a passive until level 9.)

Kuroi865 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/vJgVat1H-zed-buffed-again-on-pbe-youre-kidding-me

It's a bug, check the red post.

https://twitter.com/Exgeniar/status/634462130289246208

It's a bug.

Dar Raksada5 votes

'Shadow Slash (E) damage increased to 80/130/180/230/280 from 60/90/120/150/180' was confirmed to be a bug in the other thread.

Mcprowlington2 votes

Confirmed bug.

Holy shit you guys are cynical, calm down.

SlaktarTasken2 votes

It's sad that I like this game so much, because I just keep losing more and more respect for the people who manage it... :<

Now LCS comes to Sweden and I'm so dissapointed with Riot I didn't even bother jumping at the chance to get tickets despite the fact this might be a once in a decade opportunity. Won't be watching LCS either this year, tired of seeing the exact same champs do the exact same sh*t over and over, BIGPLAYS? More like RINSE-REPEAT-PLAYS. Like a broken record... booooooooOOOOOOOOooooreeeeeng!

Best Darius KR2 votes

It's a bug, chill

LICENSED HOOKER2 votes

Good shit, buffing fizz :)

stealthfox941 votes

.......That's a pretty HUGE nerf to AD bruiser Fizz.

Zhugan2 votes

Most of those buffs I don't care about cause they make sense.

The Zed "buff" is actually a bug, and raging about that makes no sense.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

Don't worry, it's a bug.

BTW, you forgot that the LEAGUE OF DRAVEN tells people how awesome you are in chat.

Meanie402 votes

The only "balance" this time of year is to balance the usual suspects for LC$BIGPLAY$.

Solari Fortune2 votes

Riot said it was a bug

warwiller1 votes

$$$$$$$$$$ $.$

Meep Man1 votes

He could use... changes. However, I very much doubt this buff is going in alone. There is definitely going to be another Zed change this PBE cycle.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

you were happy? stop playing comedi. Who would be happy with shen sustain nerf when he was ok ,and maokai 10000th nerf.

Rew7111 votes

So much base damage from a E. Meanwhile... Kassadin got 0.2 AP on his R and can get up to 0.6 AP damage. Just look at his E though. Deals just as much as Zed's only now, Zed got max 280 and it deals %AD damage (and also slows; from 40 to 60% for 1.5 seconds, it sure is nice that Kassadin only slows 90% for 1 second though, so its fair...)

Seriously though. Zed does not use mana and has very long range which most fighters and some assassins do not have. His Q + W deals at most 352 (+150% bonus AD) to at least 212 (+90% bonus AD). His ultimate deals his total AD plus a additional 50% of the damage he damage he dealt. Then, there's his passive. I though Fiora was bad after the update. I'm just going to have to find a new game to play while Riot sorts these changes.

Beoridas1 votes

maybe they will reduce his Q dmg? so that his farming isnt as safe and need to get nice and close to trade?

SouL1ess1 votes

The Fizz Seastone Trident nerfs are ridiculous. I would like to max Seastone Trident or Urchin Strike before Playful/Trickster, but Riot specifically makes it so that the only ability worth ranks in is Playful/Trickster. The other two skills are absolutely stupid to try and max first if the PBE change goes through.

The ult amplification should be fixed a long time ago but Riot was just too lazy with it.

Edit: I'm actually tired of Riot doing jack shit about Seastone Trident.

Lets say that Riot is trying to kill the tank build by completely demolishing the scaling of Seastone Trident with Attack Speed.

  1. Change the mana cost on Seastone Trident to 30/35/40/45/50
  2. Make Fizz's Seastone Trident passive damage 10/20/30/40/50 + 0.4*AP over 2 seconds
  3. Make Fizz's Seastone Trident active give Fizz's autoattack deal an additional 10/20/30/40/50 damage + 0.4*AP + 3/4/5/6/7% missing health of his attacking target over 2 seconds

There, nerfed the on-hit effect severely by changing it to a DoT while the active damage remains relatively unchanged for AP Fizz who attack about once per second. Tank Fizz also loses his uptime on the missing health damage by moving it from the passive to the active, but the damage on the active is still a DoT, so bruiser Fizz loses the synergy between AS and the active.

Yes, we can also get rid of the missing health damage completely, but the base damage would need to be buffed to compensate. I think the missing health damage should stay so that the base damage doesn't need to exceed 50 for both parts of Seastone Trident.

Devack The Holy1 votes

TBH, Fizz is nearly in Riven territory, and in serious need of a rework.

IRicochet Runner1 votes

alright better for my ap fizz

stealthfox941 votes

Yeah I'm sad though I was starting to get use to bruiser FIzz.

stealthfox941 votes

SMH people it's a bug.

RocketRelm1 votes

We all know it's a bug now, but this is simply funny because it represents the populace first reaction to the Patch Notes.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

before this i really wanted to buy skarner....fuck that I'm buying syndra

Gunslinger7441 votes

Draven DRAVEN BUFFS, REJOICE Draven

The Loveless1 votes

Riot takes 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

Baron Perenolde1 votes

Zed's buffs are a bug. It even says so on Surrender@20's little mini patch notes/updates.

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