Azir needs a W nerf.

For Carthage··7 votes·872 views

.6 AP scaling on an AA, AoE ability is absurd. When you can then jack that up to .9 AP scaling per goddamn hit, that's absolutely idiotic. Azir gets more power within one set of basic attacks than most Mages get in two abilities. That is a pretty incredible burst for a mage that's primary weakpoint is supposed to be "little to no burst". There was at no point any doubt that Azir would be pretty goddamn OP - the only thing holding him back was bugs, bugs, and more bugs. Now that most of them are fixed, he's near unstoppable due to his damage, safety, and utility all doing insane amounts of damage in single hits on top of also staying active for far longer than any other champ in the game.

Think about it. Azir's kit doesn't circle around a short, bursted fight. His kit is built to make sure he can deal out his damage safely over a period of time - a wall that stays up for several seconds that's impassable, the ability to command his soldiers from a very safe distance, an E meant to keep him out even longer so he can continue to survive. It's not an assassin kit, it's a mage kit; yet somehow he packs about as much burst as half the assassins in the game and far more safety. This is a massive balance problem - it's a kit that, with its mechanics and the skill level of it, shouldn't be overpowered, but is due to a reckless disregard for the raw strength. It's the same issue with Rek'Sai's burrowed Q right now - a 1.0 AP scaling, long range, AoE shot on a 4.6-ish CD may sound okay just because you should build her AD - but in practice, it's an old Nidalee spear on steroids.

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Kledy McKledFace1 votes

wait a second his bugs arent fix

For Carthage2 votes

That's why I said "most".

majulito1 votes

Then you realize that adc have a 1.0 ratio on aa up to 2.5 on crits and are lifestealing the whole time.

That aside Azir is strong and riot should have focused on fixing the bugs before buffing him.

OJ1912 votes

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Then you realize that adc have a 1.0 ratio on aa up to 2.5 on crits and are lifestealing the whole time.

That aside Azir is strong and riot should have focused on fixing the bugs before buffing him.

then you realise that:

-ADC's don't buy 100% crit. with IE and PD they do an extra +1.5 AD 55% of the time, this means on average they do 1.825 AD per autoattack, not 2.5

-a 0.9 AP ratio is equivalent to around a 1.8 AD ratio because you can get around twice as much AP as AD, just barely lower than abovementioned ADC autoattack ratios

-It's possible to get unlucky (or, admittedly, lucky) with crits, whereas so long as you keep your soldiers going you will always have that much damage as Azir

-you can't effectively get as much MR as you can AR due to itemisation balancing so even with just soldier auto's he will do AT LEAST as much as an ADC. (if MR was = to AR sooo many mages would be gutted that it wouldn't even be funny - it is like this because if you make MR = AR then buff those mages to compensate, any squishies who don't/can't rush MR right away will get absolutely irrevocably destroyed)

-soldier autos are AoE so if he hits even one single additional target he will do far, far, FAR more damage than an ADC.

-he gets more damage from Q, even more from E and R if you actually get to him somehow

I'll give you the point about lifesteal

For Carthage1 votes

Let's not also forget the easily spammable slow that applies Rylai's, the clickable jump that goes through walls, ranges outside of an ADC's capabilities, and an impassable wall that stays on the field for 7 seconds at max level and is about as wide as an Anivia wall while also preventing any gap-closing through it.

Fadedpf1 votes

"We dont like lane bullies, lets nerf Cassiopeia." Meanwhile in the mid lane.... Azir Brand Zed Velkoz Xerath Veigar

OJ1911 votes

Eh I wouldn't really call brand a lane bully, unless you go full retard and let him freely W/Q every time he E's you, there are many mages who can outbully just his E.

Veigar isn't either really, not early on anyway.

warpenguin5551 votes

dat skill cap doe

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