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Meddler: Need your thoughts on Ziggs

Ugly Alien·4/25/2018, 8:06:47 AM·1 votes·1,700 views

Hello,

Ziggs has one of the lowest playrate for mid (around 1%) Ziggs has one of the lowest winrates for mid (around 46%) If the combination of above is not a flag I don't know what is (source op.gg)

I posted about Ziggs few days back and Penguin was nice enough to reply. And then I saw an old thread where you were part of the design for Ziggs! Then I thought I have to pick your brain. I know there is a buff coming, but that E buff is very very trivial. I'm sure you are tired of players complaining about champs 24/7, and my apologies for doing the same.

Below is what I posted before to show how weak Ziggs is.

  1. Squishy, can't be tanky like some midlaners like Yasuo, Ryze, Azir, etc
  2. No combo potential for kills like Veiger, Ahri, Lux, etc. Just poke.
  3. All 4 abilities skill shots (that doesn't help, esp that Q bouncing over folks even if you aim correctly)
  4. No mobility. I blame is short feet.
  5. Passive doesn't help against opponents/team fights. I really hope the passive changes so it helps with AP damage
  6. No shield to protect Ziggs like Ryze, Morg, Lux, Yasuo, Ekko, etc.
  7. He can only mid, it's not like I can safely jungle or support. He is only defined to one lane
  8. No hard cc. W & E just does a trivial slow/knock. It's not like I can do a hard cc and land my ult right on top (ex. lux, veiger, etc). And I have noticed the competent players easily dodge the ult, they have enough time to get away (ex fizz, vlad, etc....they press one button and my ult is void).
  9. No real escape. Only hope is the satchel which is undependable. There are many champs that will chase you down even if you use the satchel properly.

I had some bold idea and was hoping you can give your input on how we can make Ziggs relevant.

  1. Please modify the passive. Ziggs needs PvP help. Add a buff where his AP gets stronger as he levels. AD passive doesn't make sense for an AP champ
  2. His W & E are low damage. Merge them together where W throws mines and a satchel, increase the CD. And add a new ability to the E. Just spamming Q really makes him one dimensional.
  3. His Q is his bread and butter but it's bouncing all over the place and over champs (even when aimed correctly). Please increase the radius so it hits the champ if it's in the range or bounces over
  4. All 4 abilities are skillshots with no hard cc. Like Lux, Veiger, Syndra, etc. they have a hard cc and they can ult (vieger and syndra is point click). Somehow incorporate cc. Maybe if the opponent walks through 2 mines they get stunned or rooted (then that's when Ziggs can ult).
  5. Ziggs can die with 2 buttons (ex. veiger stun + ult, lux stun + ult, syndra stun + ult, etc). Ziggs is just too squishy. Give him a shield or something.

Please give me your thoughts. His early game is sooo weak. It's just farming hoping for ganks, he can never 1 v 1 a competent player.

What would you do to Ziggs?

10 Comments

MrHaZeYo4/25/2018, 9:14:04 AM1 votes

Idk about you but I've nuked opponents with QRE before. Ludens into Morello with Sorc Pen boots gives a pretty awesome burst combo on Ziggs.

Step Sis Lux4/25/2018, 11:42:49 AM1 votes

Ziggs is my second main, basically im picking him if someone took my lux, i think like his passive is more for pushuing than teamfight but still good, with lichbane he can 2 shot tower/inhib/nexus but also he deals really big dmg to tank with power+sheen auto, W definitely deals no dmg but he can burst without w, imo his ult needs to be faster in long range cuz u can throw it perfectly and someone can just walk off

DW Diana4/25/2018, 11:48:09 AM1 votes

I haven't played him, but I've played against a lot and imo he's all damage. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how you play him, but the range on that q is huge, the oppressiveness of his w and e are horrible, and that ult has such a range and does SO MUCH DAMAGE, even if you kill him there's a good chance you're going 1 for 1 lol. Plus he has a personal blasting plant :P

PoshLukas3/20/2019, 7:51:56 PM

I know it's too late, but ziggs main there, and I have never thought that ziggs is weak. Of course he is squishy, but if you play carefull and correctly, you can zone enemies and poke them at the same time. Also against assassins you should build zhonyas to counter their ults (zed, fizz, talon, rengar ect.). But why I started this comment is because you mentioned shield and this gave me idea: what if, when ziggs placed his W, he would get shield, but if you use the W to knock yourself, the shield would parish. I think that wouldn't be very big buff, but quite reasonable addition to his kit. Because with this passive, you could choose between knocking yourself out of teamfight and loosing shield or knocking enemy and keeping shield few seconds. Of course W would get second passive and (as a ziggs main) I am too tied up with turret demolisher passive, because now Ziggs is late game turret sweeper, but maybe it could be somehow sorted out.