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Good Job, Riot. You Killed Kog'Maw.

Tribbles Foxfolk·Sep 21, 2016·13 votes·1,160 views

He went from being a balance nightmare with DOUBLE ATTACK SPEED (How have CertainlyT, Ghostcrawler, and Scarizard not been fired, again? Are their blowjobs THAT good?) and scaling way too well with on-hit items (cough Old Rageblade cough) to having no reason to be picked again. In fact, not only did you revert the rework (already a pretty big nerf), but you proceeded to NERF HIM AGAIN IN THE SAME PATCH. Not only this, but his W seems to SLOW DOWN his attack speed for no reason.

I have one question to ask: What were you thinking? Did you actually think that, by just reverting his rework, he would be OP again and you would need to nerf him?

It doesn't take a PhD to tell you that pre-rework Kog'Maw was mediocre at best and heavily reliant on his favorite items (BoRK + Runaan's + Rageblade) being good to actually be good himself. Then, you rework him and double-down on his reliance for on-hit items. Then, because he's super OP (because obviously), you begin gutting him. You also begin nerfing his favorite items, yet because BoRK + Rageblade + Wit's End all still exist (and Braum), he's still super strong.

So, now you made the RIGHT decision to revert his rework. However, you decided to nerf his attack speed growth AND his W. His compensation buff: Very minor increase in attack speed for the first few levels.

12 Comments

Best Kog NASep 21, 20165 votes

I'm just mad he isn't getting his old ult back.

paperbIadeSep 22, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Best Kog NA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8fvWJ2fI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-21T22:25:30.287+0000)

I'm just mad he isn't getting his old ult back.

item 3070 KogMaw

ZettoSep 21, 20164 votes

Salty-kog mains crying that they don't get to be the fountain laser anymore. Kappa.[slayer-jinx-wink]

FrikgeekSep 21, 20163 votes

You are completely wrong about any kind of "nerf". His attack speed is better now than it was before, as base attack speed is what all %AS bonuses including AS growth scale with. He now needs 40% less AS from items to hit 2.5 AS while losing out only 14% AS from his growth stat.

If anything, kog'maw has been BUFFED compared to his pre-rework state, as these changes happened during his rework

 Attack speed growth increased to 3.5% from 1.5 

Attack speed reduced to 0.625 from 0.665

On live he has both the higher base attack speed and slightly higher AS growth stat, making him better than pre-rework.

RebonackSep 22, 20161 votes

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You are completely wrong about any kind of "nerf". His attack speed is better now than it was before, as base attack speed is what all %AS bonuses including AS growth scale with. He now needs 40% less AS from items to hit 2.5 AS while losing out only 14% AS from his growth stat.

If anything, kog'maw has been BUFFED compared to his pre-rework state, as these changes happened during his rework
 Attack speed growth increased to 3.5% from 1.5 

Attack speed reduced to 0.625 from 0.665 
On live he has both the higher base attack speed and slightly higher AS growth stat, making him better than pre-rework.

No crit on Trinity, lower %HP damage on Bork, mana cost on W, no more poke from R, higher mana cost on R, lower base HP and HP growth- all of these are nerfs compared to where Kog was before the pre-season. Of them, the mana cost and HP nerfs are most crippling to Kog's already terrible early game.

LaughingStaplerSep 22, 20161 votes

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You are completely wrong about any kind of "nerf". His attack speed is better now than it was before, as base attack speed is what all %AS bonuses including AS growth scale with. He now needs 40% less AS from items to hit 2.5 AS while losing out only 14% AS from his growth stat.

If anything, kog'maw has been BUFFED compared to his pre-rework state, as these changes happened during his rework
 Attack speed growth increased to 3.5% from 1.5 

Attack speed reduced to 0.625 from 0.665 
On live he has both the higher base attack speed and slightly higher AS growth stat, making him better than pre-rework.

you're wrong

those base stats weren't from pre-rewok and he is weaker than pre-rework and not just due to his ult. and its mana costs

W had no mana cost befoe, now it's 40

DracocrashSep 22, 20161 votes

YEP you are right. Dont know why you are getting downvoted. People dont realize how this works.

EDIT : you are right about the attack speed change not being a nerf, you are not right about him being "buffed" compared to his pre-reworked state.

LaughingStaplerSep 22, 20163 votes

I'm glad for the revert but disappointed AP Kog still sucks.

Brain Errör 404Sep 21, 20162 votes

Good riddance. Now if only they gut some more champs...

CalabokSep 22, 20161 votes

Super Death machine gun Kogmaw to

Death machine gun Kogmaw.

Not too shabby..

DracocrashSep 22, 20161 votes

I dont think you understand how attack speed works.

By increase his base attack speed and giving attack speed back to Q, not only does he get mroe attack speed once his Q is maxed out, he also scales better with attack speed items. Because all attack speed items work of % of BASE attack speed.

THey reverted everything in his W except the mana cost, which should be given back.

Have you even played atleast 10 games as kog'maw or are you rattling out for no reason? Do you know what the optimum build on him is now?

Please wait a few patches and play games for your self before you start complaining.

EDIT : I noticed you have 1 game as him this patch, and you are building him on-hit for some reason. Can you try a triforce or crit orientated build? But you are right about his W feeling wonky at low attack speeds (below 1.3 and it feels weird) and his W needing no mana cost. But you are wrong about quite a few other things.

TeklmSep 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8fvWJ2fI,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-09-21T22:23:49.643+0000)

He went from being a balance nightmare with DOUBLE ATTACK SPEED (How have CertainlyT, Ghostcrawler, and Scarizard not been fired, again? Are their blowjobs THAT good?)

Did any of these people have anything to do with the Kog'Maw rework? I'm pretty sure that was Repertoir. http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/2q0vLyo8-kogmaw-pbe-feedback-thread

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