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Jungle data gathering / Help us know your early game better

RiotRiot Reinboom·2/17/2015, 10:49:56 AM·74 votes·51,859 views

Hey guys, we have a change coming soon to a PBE near you meant to help us improve our understanding of how people jungle (especially early game). When we tried to poke into some of the responses we got it became very apparent that people address the jungle in **very **different manners. Lots of small changes add up to huge swings in what champions look like coming out of their first clear. What this means for us is that it's hard to balance early jungle without some more insight, so we're calling on you guys to help.

We're putting a change that is PBE ONLY to help build this shared understanding of how junglers jungle individually: A set of buffs that track your jungle progress in the first portion of the jungle.

By giving us a direct peak at how you interact with the jungle you give us a chance to improve it. Maybe by making a mechanism more clear, rebalancing a camp, or many other systems. But first this type of information would help us know which systems.

Here's what the buffs look like: http://i.imgur.com/GqqauMg.png (The primary buff)

http://i.imgur.com/13KFFU4.png (After taking 1 camp. In this case, Krugs)

http://i.imgur.com/B12h25a.png (After taking 2 camps. Krugs and then Razorbeaks)

It would be super useful to get these value from you guys from champions you expect to play in the jungle. I'm especially interested in the contrast of: The results of these after you tried it how you normally play the jungle. And The results of these after you tried to optimize beyond what you normally do (possibly with the help of these buffs).

Please post your findings here: http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/eEWEardJ-request-screenshots-of-jungle-stats :)

204 Comments

straight4free2/17/2015, 10:54:11 AM33 votes

Could this potentially be moved to Custom games or even normals in the future? I don't play on the PBE but I would be very interested to test out different methods of jungling using these buffs.

Troy2426212/17/2015, 4:45:42 PM17 votes

Allow me to give you a visual demonstration of what early game jungling looks like.

Wullf2/17/2015, 11:21:49 AM14 votes

quick, be constructive, people, before haters appear...

2pudge1cup2/17/2015, 6:36:10 PM8 votes

This would be a very useful feature to use to data mine in customs on live rather than PBE.

A lot of players don't have PBE accounts and those that do tend to not take the games too seriously or aren't very good.

A feature like this that goes live would get a wider sample range of player skill to get the best indicator of jungle changes.

Dinitrophenol2/17/2015, 4:18:26 PM8 votes

i should not have to base my build 100% on the jungle. my runes and masteries should be impacted but not fully. i should not need armor quints or lifesteal quints to successful jungle.

also i would like to be able to use runes that could give me a better late game build like CD per level glyphs or movement speed quints for gank potential. i should be able to go masteries that will help me throughout the game, not a mastery setup solely meant for level's 1-5.

yes, you can jungle with pretty much anyone, but you'd be a srs handicap to your team unless your the typical junglers atm.

Commando Yi2/17/2015, 3:22:41 PM5 votes

should release this to live but only available in custom games

the pbe crowd isn't the best at testing much of anything considering all the bugs that keep going to live - see xin zhao q

Icy Auron2/17/2015, 2:16:21 PM5 votes

Maybe after this, people'll realize just how weak most junglers are, and we can possibly get some drastic changes. :D

Altricad2/17/2015, 2:18:42 PM4 votes

Best Rito Post Ever! I don't have an PBE account, but this is the way Riot should do it, listen to the community feedback before everything goes live!

To the people of PBE! Plz try the following champions so Riot can get some Data! Nautilus Volibear Evelynn Hecarim Chogath Khazix Rammus Skarner Zac Maokai Malphite

Woodakoodashooda2/17/2015, 11:08:18 AM4 votes

I'd definitely like to help in this. Too bad I haven't a PBE account...yet?

TheSlootyThot2/18/2015, 10:15:06 PM4 votes

LESS WORRY ABOUT GAMPLAY, AND MORE WORRY ABOUT THE GARBAGE PATCHER. PEOPLE NEED ANSWERS TO WHY THIS COMPANY LACKS AT HAVING A STABLE GAME CLIENT.

Cenobite Azaziel2/18/2015, 8:47:54 AM3 votes

Geez. After dumping all the s4 changes that let almost everyone jungle, after everyone cried about the jungle hitting harder than a truck, after everyone asking for more exp and gold, only NOW you decide to track the damage? After the preseason is gone?

As a jungler I want to be able to carry a game. I'm not a duo laner that is giving up his gold to the AD carry.

Bring counter jungle back and make it effective. Make the jungle item deal more damage to the jungle. I wanna feel the king of the jungle and not get behind as the top laner/mid/adc can plow through my jungle because they have a sustain item and can do my job better than me. Or just scrap machete from the game. Make it a passive for smite. Let us start with a doran's/cloth/flask if we want. Or make the smite be the active of machete. So we can have the same summoners that our laners have.

Or make every laner take a hit as the jungler and suport. Slow their build and make them buy an especific item so your minions give you the actual amount of gold. No "Minion knife"? -10 gold per minion. Ah, no need for sustain in that item, since minions are tanked by other minios or the tower =].

Please, don't let the "experiment wards" that works for 5 minutes go through. You already gave the laners free wards to stop ganks. The next step is no fog of war vs junglers.

Played my whole season 4 as a jungler. Now I prefer any lane because I can have more gold, more exp and way more snowball potential.

DanofDemacia2/17/2015, 5:06:43 PM3 votes

Lol is that jungle lulu?

ProfDrDeath2/17/2015, 10:58:24 AM2 votes

Cool idea. :) Time to break out the PBE account, again. What data are you guys at Riot specifically interested in? First 5/6/7 min? Level 6?

Agree with Anyael below, this sounds like something really interesting for custom games, too. Is this tracker calculated server-side or client-side?

Oleandervine2/17/2015, 2:31:06 PM2 votes

This is a long needed necessity and I'm so glad you guys are finally trying to gather data on the new jungle through the player experience. My only concern is that most players will use the top tier junglers instead of those who this data is much more sorely needed for. Jarvan, Vi, and Lee Sin do not need to be tested using this. Other junglers do.

So guys, say no to: Jarvan IV, Lee Sin, Vi

Say yes to: Evelynn, Elise, Trundle, Zac, Garen, Skarner, Kha'zix, Volibear, Nautilus, Hecarim, Nunu, Warwick, Sion, Alistar, Udyr, Amumu, Maokai, Fizz, Pantheon, Shyvana, Nocturne, Aatrox, Diana, and Rengar.

Edit: Forgot Maokai!

The Ecdysiast2/27/2015, 7:31:36 AM1 votes

So you guys do do work. Woah. I thought you all just sat around wondering when you're going to buff Zed and nerf Taric. Seems good. Does this mean you'll actually use the PBE for something starting now?

Smooth Crimiñal2/17/2015, 10:57:09 AM1 votes

Are you also taking this data on specific champs or is this just for the jungle in general?

Stexe2/20/2015, 11:20:36 PM1 votes

Maybe by making a mechanic more clear

Making a repair person more clear? I'm confused! :-P