RiotScarizard: "Zyra will not be receiving a rework (or at least not for quite some time) - though she is getting changes in 5.17. I don't have any details to share with you about those, but they most definitely will not be close to a 'rework'."
I was really looking forward to these changes, but so far none have been patched to the PBE. Are they really coming next patch? Or have they been delayed?
Deep Terror Nami3 votesYou should probably wait for the weekend to be over before deciding nothing is happening on the PBE.
Chortle2 votes"Current thinking: Zyra's a good candidate for some small work. Let's start by looking at plant AI.
That's as far as we've got, this is work that will be looked into soon, but hasn't yet started."
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I personally think plant AI is the best place to start! Minor MS buff if they are feeling generous
DJ Di01 votes
manbearswine2 votes[{quoted}](name=DJ Di0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8XI6jtWI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-08-23T20:58:25.133+0000)
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Bfc6an9x-sonazyra-buffs-confirmed
Meddler said it's just some plant ai changes.
Had a feeling that the zyra changes were just an empty promise,once again buyting time so that people will forget she exists,plant ai won't solve anything,and is already pretty solid,the buff will barely be noticeable to a champion who needs a lot of help.
Pretty sure they will do good work on sona though,they seem to remember she exists,instead of giving her some barely noticeable buff once in a year like they do with zyra.
ZephyrDrake1 votesMeddler said it's just some plant ai changes.
Had a feeling that the zyra changes were just an empty promise,once again buyting time so that people will forget she exists,plant ai won't solve anything,and is already pretty solid,the buff will barely be noticeable to a champion who needs a lot of help.
Pretty sure they will do good work on sona though,they seem to remember she exists,instead of giving her some barely noticeable buff once in a year like they do with zyra.
plant AI solid... yeah look at that plant stop attacking the enemy champion for no reason even though said enemy would most likely die in another hit or two, oh but wait! look at that other plant not attacking ANYTHING even though there are plenty of targets to choose from but there's more! look at that other plant attacking minions instead of the enemy champion that is eating my face! such great and solid plant AI
manbearswine2 votesplant AI solid... yeah look at that plant stop attacking the enemy champion for no reason even though said enemy would most likely die in another hit or two,
Yes it happens,but generally it doesn't happen too often and isn't too meaningful,there's a difference between "on occasion does something inconsistent" which it is now and "is doing random shit on a constant basis and is completely worthless" like you claim it to be,yes it's hyper annoying on those very rare occasions when it's the difference between life and death,no those occasions aren't very common and unlike heimer most of her power isn't even in her plants,this is a very minor buff,she needs a hell lot more than that.
oh but wait! look at that other plant not attacking ANYTHING even though there are plenty of targets to choose from but there's more! look at that other plant attacking minions instead of the enemy champion that is eating my face! such great and solid plant AI
Well it is decided that she needs to aa for plants to focus a target,that's how her ai works,and is the price she pays for the fact she can throw plants at range,whereas heimer needs to place them at low range.
Her plant ai definitely could use work to remove some rare cases which feel incredibly dumb(plants afking on spawn/afking in general/switching targets for no reason),but these are not her core issues,in higher levels of play she basically can't lane against tanks,and can hardly manage poke supports either,not to mention that against assassin(/hyper mobile champions in general) players in high elo(it was acknowledged by riot that high elo players see her as bad) her kit is extremely ineffective,plant ai won't change that.
ZephyrDrake1 votesYes it happens,but generally it doesn't happen too often and isn't too meaningful,there's a difference between "on occasion does something inconsistent" which it is now and "is doing random shit on a constant basis and is completely worthless" like you claim it to be,yes it's hyper annoying on those very rare occasions when it's the difference between life and death,no those occasions aren't very common and unlike heimer most of her power isn't even in her plants,this is a very minor buff,she needs a hell lot more than that.
Well it is decided that she needs to aa for plants to focus a target,that's how her ai works,and is the price she pays for the fact she can throw plants at range,whereas heimer needs to place them at low range.
Her plant ai definitely could use work to remove some rare cases which feel incredibly dumb(plants afking on spawn/afking in general/switching targets for no reason),but these are not her core issues,in higher levels of play she basically can't lane against tanks,and can hardly manage poke supports either,not to mention that against assassin(/hyper mobile champions in general) players in high elo(it was acknowledged by riot that high elo players see her as bad) her kit is extremely ineffective,plant ai won't change that.
doesn't happen too often... every single time i play as Zyra the plants behave exactly like that, they switch targets for no reason. They don't attack enemies that are in their attack range. They refuse to attack enemies that are in range and i am doing everything i can to fight them off. These are not "rare cases" these are regular cases that happen in pretty much every single game. She is not a champion that the meta favors not "her kit is extremely ineffective" her kit is completely fine. Her plant AI is one of the main issues of Zyra and until it is fixed buffing her in other ways is just asking for her to be nerfed once again due to her numbers being too high when her plants actually do their job
manbearswine2 votesdoesn't happen too often... every single time i play as Zyra the plants behave exactly like that, they switch targets for no reason. They don't attack enemies that are in their attack range. They refuse to attack enemies that are in range and i am doing everything i can to fight them off. These are not "rare cases" these are regular cases that happen in pretty much every single game.
I didn't say they are rare cases,I said they happen on occasion,what I called rare cases where when plant behavior was the difference between life and death,and those are very rare.
She is not a champion that the meta favors
And has been that way for the past 2 years,with the meta constantly shifting during that period,maybe it's time to realize what every high elo/pro player already knows? That the problem is the champion,not the meta?
not "her kit is extremely ineffective" her kit is completely fine.
Her highly unreliable nature is extremely ineffective against hyper mobility which is everywhere by now,and is only increasing with each new release.
Her plant AI is one of the main issues of Zyra
No,it isn't. Her problem is that she can't roam,she can't control her lane with her level 1,she can't effectively pressure a 2v1 lane(when the enemy support is roaming),she can't handle poke/sustain supports as they are just stronger than her,she can't handle tanks either,as when played in high elo by people who understand she is paper,they just walk all over her,none of this is effected by plant ai.
She can't disengage well,as with current mobility and burst by the time her ult goes off the fight will already be lost,she can't peel assassins from adcs,and she has very poor pick potential,as she is right now she is bad at everything you want a support to be good at(just to be clear here,I'm not talking about her kit in a vacuum,when I say she has poor pick potential I mean poor pick potential compared to meta supports,and so on).
and until it is fixed buffing her in other ways is just asking for her to be nerfed once again due to her numbers being too high when her plants actually do their job
If you buff her plant ai alone you won't fix anything,nobody will play her,competitive or otherwise,winrate will be good though,only people who will think she is good however are those who don't play he,and those who are just bad at this game,so the problem of 0 competitive play,being considered bad by high elo players,and her low popularity won't go away,she needs more,but I guess they have some ahri compensation to consider more thoroughly,so time to forget zyra exists for two more years.
Hex the FenFen1 votesThis disappoints me as a Zyra main if that's all it is. I play her mid and I was hoping for at least a movement speed buff or some other tweaks to help her out. If it is truly JUST plant AI changes I am gonna be so disappointed.
Matezoide1 votesThere are plenty of champions in direr need of help than Zyra anyway. Furthermore, due to her damage, Riot will need to think any buffs properly, or else we are going to have another Elise situation.
She was top tier not too long ago, but it seems everyone forgot that. One wrong buff and she is going to become incredibly oppressive.
A Miss Fortune2 votesZyra's basically outclassed in every single way by every champion in the game. And yeah she was top tier when she was released but she was hotfixed and her entire kit was destroyed. Damage, range, mana, and even flat out removing parts of it.
PopCorn Chick3n1 votes[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8XI6jtWI,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-08-24T00:34:12.925+0000)
Zyra's basically outclassed in every single way by every champion in the game. And yeah she was top tier when she was released but she was hotfixed and her entire kit was destroyed. Damage, range, mana, and even flat out removing parts of it.
Thank you. Finally someone speaks the truth.
