Why Annie should stay exactly how she is.

MudintheWater··44 votes·2,961 views

Because she counters some of the most unfun to play against champions in the game.

Fizz. Katarina. Vayne. Yi.

Quite frankly I like a champion that can instadelete any of those champions. Long live super op point and click aoe stuns.

At least Annie is fairly easy to kill and has no blinks/trollpoles/invisibility to play as a get out of jail card if she gets caught.

57 Comments

Av3nger7717 votes

Hehehe, one way to prevent a Nerf is say they counter the most hated champions

RIP Resonance1 votes

git gud item 3140

Rysophage5 votes

that dosent stop you from taking 3,000 damage instantly. just makes it so you can move.

RIP Resonance3 votes

Zed

Voluug135 votes

Counter his ult and does little else. He goes back to safety and izimode safe farming with ranged energy pushing.

item 3157 counters basically every ult in the game that isnt a selfbuff.

AHeroNamedHawke17 votes

By that logic we should leave Skarner at a 63% win rate because he counters Ahri

Altricad7 votes

Or Ryze back when he could perma snare for 4 seconds or Kassadin with his silence and 90% pick& ban because he countered annie

There are champions that counter assassins ChogathGalio Heimerdinger , they also can't flash 100-0 half the adc roster without counterplay if your method of countering a champion is by killing them without them even having a chance, then that isn't "countering"

PiVoRx13 votes

Following that logic we should buff all other 120 champions to insta delete annie cause shes also unfun champion to play against.

Sasogwa2 votes

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Following that logic we should buff all other 120 champions to insta delete annie cause shes also unfun champion to play against.

counter =/= instadeleting. So you're not "following that logic", you're making a fallacious argument

The Great Divide1 votes

Play Syndra. She may be hard to get used to at first, but Annie won't be able to touch you, while you just harass her all day, then smash her when you hit 6. Her or xerath work quite well.

Voluug131 votes

Azir Brand Chogath Karthus Lux Nidalee Syndra Varus Xerath Ziggs Zilean Zyra

Says hi.

CIownface3 votes

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Following that logic we should buff all other 120 champions to insta delete annie cause shes also unfun champion to play against.

what how is annie unfun to play against? I find it exciting. Having to judge her range and play around the zones. And guessing her cds and stun count.

Fizz on the other hand..... now that's unfun

A little Peepo2 votes

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Following that logic we should buff all other 120 champions to insta delete annie cause shes also unfun champion to play against.

There are many champions that counter annie and those are champions with range sweet heart. Learn to play xerath, azir, orianna, lux, velkoz, ziggs, syndra, cassiopeia, morgana and possibly more (not all of these champions mentioned counter her but they can lane against her without any problem and give annie problems if played correctly) her counter is called "range" if she is stomping you bot lane then start playing adc with 600+ range (ashe, jinx, caitlyn) and all in supports like Leona or naut who can survive her burst long enough to kill her.

gaby1best11 votes

A good Yi will never get himself fucked by Annie. Also there's always this magic little item for AD champs item 3139. What's sad is people don't even know what it does. I once told ally Cait to buy it as her 3rd item and she asked "Why?". Meanwhile the enemy team: Zed Warwick Annie Leona

MudintheWater2 votes

That couldn't possibly be the elusive counterplay I've heard Annie doesn't have!!?? It's amazing how many mages are countered by that or a banshee's veil and yet people don't bother buying them.

AHeroNamedHawke5 votes

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That couldn't possibly be the elusive counterplay I've heard Annie doesn't have!!?? It's amazing how many mages are countered by that or a banshee's veil and yet people don't bother buying them.

Because it doesn't? What

Banshee's gets popped by random poke, or her pushing her 4 second CD Q, and QSS is 1250g for a null mantle of MR + escaping one stun

It isn't like Zed where you take no damage from his ult, she'll still break your health bar in half

IGotScuttleCrabs1 votes

item 3156 Would be better for annie wouldn't it? AD More MR Shield to help prevent nuking. Although item 3139 has the QQS to get the stun off.

Actually, why not both? XD

Monkey D Luffy6 votes

There are way more alternatives than just annie that can beat those champs you know.

MudintheWater2 votes

Of course there are. I frequently play Mumu against those champions for Mumu's massive AOE stun. Annie is just the best at deleting annoying assasins in my opinion.

Monkey D Luffy2 votes

Can't really argue with that.

stealthfox944 votes

" Because she counters some of the most unfun to play against champions in the game.

Fizz "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

Fadedpf3 votes

Counters exist ≠ Champion lacks meaning full amount of counterplay.

DogIsGod3 votes

No. She counters anyone, not only those four, she's frustrating to play against and has the worst champion design ever.

Voluug131 votes

Azir Brand Chogath Karthus Lux Nidalee Syndra Varus Xerath Ziggs Zilean Zyra

Says hi.

DogIsGod2 votes

Care to explain how these champions counter her, instead of pulling them of off a random website?

TurquoiseYoshi3 votes

I like how people always forget about how Annie has both good teamfighting and good laning. Her Q is godly in lane, giving her a big burst of damage, a low CD, and mana refunds. People also apparently forget that TIBBERS IS STILL AN AOE NUKE. He has massive damage and then walks towards to scarily for a while and slaps you a lot while you have to do the Garen and learn how to kite. Everyone always talks about how "Oh, just buy QSS and she can't do anything", conveniently forgetting about her AoE nuke that just hit you. She might still be able to pull off a W even if you get out. So she honestly isn't as meh as everyone keeps saying.

As a small side note, you spelled Katarina's name wrong.

MudintheWater1 votes

Fixed the Kat spelling, thanks for that.

After Tibbers is dropped he is kind of just...there. Not particularily threatening and pretty slow. Kind of like a particularily annoying super minion.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

Still, his base damage is pretty damn high. Even if you negate the stun, it does a ton of damage. And then, once he's there, you have to decide between focusing Tibbers and taking a ton of damage from opponents, or focusing opponents and taking damage from Tibbers.

Voluug131 votes

Azir Brand Chogath Karthus Lux Nidalee Syndra Varus Xerath Ziggs Zilean Zyra

Annie destroyers.

Athenes Lulu3 votes

Give Tibbers a delay upon casting and she'd still be balanced.

Voluug132 votes

Why murder the niche of a champion?

If anything, reduce the range the tibbers to kill support Annie.

There, Annie now goes back to midlane and does her primary job: kill assassin divers. While still being weak to her primary weakness: range and kiting.

Transgressor1 votes

A meager 0.25 wouldn't even hurt her, it could be her throwing tibbers at the target location.

The Quinndred3 votes

Except that Annie should be on the list of "the most unfun to play against".

Complexly2 votes

You simply don't get caught then. I don't know how she doesn't counter Kat and Vayne though..

Voluug131 votes

Instant (and possible unavodable) CC and nuke.

Kat jumps -> Annie stunes her mid ult.

Vayne tries to kite ->Stunned and tibbered.

Captain Aishi2 votes

she has no reliable escape or potential to dodge what's thrown at her and her range is very medium, it's only fair that at least the damage portion of her kit be reliable i guess (even if i'm usually the katarina playing against the annie trying to figure out what to do to get out of that hell :P)

Voluug131 votes

Give this guy a medal and icecream, his pick.

An assassin player capable of honesty.

Rysophage2 votes

She also does that to the entire cast so...I don't see your point.

Heckin Support2 votes

I hate how people are fine with Garen being a faceroll "dont get near him or else learn to kite" but they all hate Annie. Annie needs flash to hard engage on people, she needs flash. How can you support Garen being a faceroll easy champion, but not Annie?

MudintheWater2 votes

On top of that Garen gets to absorb 2-3k damage and still run out. Annie just dies if she eats CC too early.

Transgressor2 votes

Why Annie shouldn't stay as she is: She has no counterplay.

(staying away from her range and baiting her flash are not counterplay)

DarthSpectrum2 votes

Annie has high base damage and good ratios on her abilities.

She doesn't just AOE CC you like Leona or Amumu , as long as she has a bit of AP, she is taking at least 50% of your health bars with her combo.

Sure, because her combo is instant and her burst is insane she can stop champions such as Vayne or MasterYi before they even get close. But at the same time, you have fair champions such as Cassiopeia Tristana Syndra Varus etc. as casualties because they too are susceptible to the CC and burst of Annie.

FrozenXylaphone1 votes

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Annie has high base damage and good ratios on her abilities.

She doesn't just AOE CC you like Leona or Amumu , as long as she has a bit of AP, she is taking at least 50% of your health bars with her combo.

Sure, because her combo is instant and her burst is insane she can stop champions such as Vayne or MasterYi before they even get close. But at the same time, you have fair champions such as Cassiopeia Tristana Syndra Varus etc. as casualties because they too are susceptible to the CC and burst of Annie.

Comparing an apc to tanks and saying she is op cause the tanks can't burst. Maybe she is up because unlike Leona and Amumu who do not just stun you, she dies with minimal focus but they don't.

KFC Cashier2 votes

Shut the fuck up

ArticFever1 votes

to commemorate her staying the same check out the new Annie skin idea I posted

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

lol ... when you put if that way.....it almost seems fair. Lmao trollpoles(fizz trickster)

Galewings1 votes

Except Annie is rather hard to punish for an immobile mage, since you know, she has an aoe stun on w. There's a reason why she's so easy to climb on and that's why making positioning errors on her aren't as punishing.

Voluug131 votes

1s stun wont save her.

Unlike low cd blink/dashes.

LithiumWednesday1 votes

Honestly, the only times I've felt particularly bad about playing against an Annie was when the other team also had Anivia and when she was hiding in bushes and deleting the dumbass Vayne.

h0tkarl1 votes

I have played this game since beta. Annie is NOT OP and has NEVER been OP.

The sort of people that bitch about a hero like Annie are the ones that build glass cannon and expect their supports to devote their entire attention and item build to bailing them out when they constantly make positional mistakes.

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