Am i the only one that thinks Leblanc has suddenly become "OP" again

Alpha Dog7·May 26, 2015·35 votes·3,243 views

not sure why i am suddenly getting wrecked by her every game and have started asking to ban her. She was fine before but recently i feel like there has been a invisible buff.

61 Comments

Zone of EndlessMay 26, 201523 votes

It's luden

Luden turn Zigg's Q into pre work nid's spear

literally 2 shot carries with it.

YOU BEEN WARNEDMay 26, 201518 votes

"invisible buff"

I c wat u did ther

V4.17:

General Texture update to Classic, Mistletoe, Prestigious and Wicked LeBlanc. Mirror Image The clone now spawns instantly and stealthed. Stealth duration increased to 1 second from 0.5. Breaking the stealth on either the clone or LeBlanc will remove the stealth on the other. Distortion.png Distortion Reactivation time increased to 4 seconds from 3.

This is the patch that reinforced Leblanc into competitive play, and ever since dominate midlane.

That was patch 4.17 so 4.18, 4.19, 4.20

5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, 5.6, 5.7, 5.8

And now we're on 5.9.

Leblanc was left to dominate midlane for 13 patches actually. Champions rotated, Leblanc stayed all along.

ApplyForAGrantMay 26, 20152 votes

Although I remember LeBlanc having around 42% win rate for a while after her silence removal (4.10 - 4.17), which was lowest in the game. Then after that buff and a few meta changes her win rate now rose to 48%, which is surprising since the buffs seems quite small.

OnegarionMay 27, 20151 votes

I really think the buffs had almost nothing to do with it. People had a knee jerk reaction on the Silence removal and didn't know what to do. I think the buff only pushed her along in terms of becoming what she is. I'd like to see what she would be like if they reverted those changes and see how people feel about her.

SKOBODOMay 26, 20152 votes

Yeah, these buffs were too much. 1 second stealth on her passive, 4 second reactivation time on her W? I wonder what Riot were thinking.

Drunk RummateMay 26, 201514 votes

She's just got a really oppressive lane phase and if she gets any number of kills then you don't have an ADC for the first 30 minutes of the game. Similar to many assassins, but she's also a lot safer with a lot more kill pressure in lane than most which is what makes her so good.

masterdragon481May 26, 201511 votes

No, i made a post a while back asking for advice for dealing with her, and was ultimately unsatisfied by the answers I received (though I did appreciate the chance to discuss the champion with people that knew her better than I)

She is incredibly hard to gank, has pressure on your mid laner every 30 seconds max, and can choose EVERY fight. In addition, she is very hard to retaliate on and has a fairly easy job maintaining her mana. You can only hope that you can outlive her burst, but if you do outlive it and can't retaliate just as effectively, you are forced to back since her rotation will be up long before yours.

I just ban her EVERY game because trying to deal with her isn't worth the effort.

SpecterVonBarenMay 27, 20151 votes

You forgot a part.

"She is incredibly hard to gank, has pressure on your mid laner every 30 seconds max, and can choose EVERY fight. In addition, she is very hard to retaliate on and has a fairly easy job maintaining her mana. You can only hope that you can outlive her burst, but if you do outlive it and can't retaliate just as effectively, you are forced to back since her rotation will be up long before yours."

And then she roams top and picks up a kill there or goes bot and picks up a double kill and then comes back to lane even stronger than last time.

Knight SoIaire May 26, 20159 votes

i assume its ludens echo katarina lb fizz any ap assasin ecame moire problematic than he was before

SmokinSickStyleMay 26, 20159 votes

Where suddenly is actually "been OP since forever".

People have been complaining about LeBroken for so many months, the only nerf she got was 0.05 ap ratio nerf on ult. MUCH WOW.

IcyPepperMay 27, 20153 votes

.05 ap ration nerf? THE HORROR

Leblanc has been gutted, trash tier, Rito y.

GlamazonMay 26, 20157 votes

Suddenly? She's always been

Alpha Dog7May 26, 20151 votes

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ReikkenMay 27, 20152 votes

Yeah, that's just you. You didn't realize how broken she was.

doublelift fgMay 27, 20151 votes

she was so broken since 5 months+

azrolatorMay 26, 20155 votes

Not sure if it is because Zed got a little nerfed and we are seeing her more or what. She doesn't need hardly an eq to burst down an adc or early bruiser/jungler with no mr yet. Assassins are just dumb in general but she does seem to be op more than the rest right now. I would say its a big part coming from her being AP.

lDontLiftIcarryMay 26, 20155 votes

Yeah its called your bad positioning.

Troy242621May 26, 201514 votes

Silly me for standing within 600(+600) of LeBlanc again.

lDontLiftIcarryMay 26, 20153 votes

if leblanc ever uses more than one distortion she doesnt have enough damage to kill anyone with BV let alone enough damage to kill anyone that dodges the E she has to land all while being in the frontline.

TimewinderMay 26, 20158 votes

that's...incorrect.

lDontLiftIcarryMay 27, 20152 votes

No its not.

you'd be surprised how easy leblanc is to deal with if you don't spoon feed her like a fat kid at a buffet.

Her late game is fucking trash since her silence removal. You can take BV and then 1v1 her all you have to do is avoid her E. So that she can't chain you down then kite you while her cooldowns come back up. Theres like 4+ seconds of downtime even at max CDR between any spells being cast on leblanc after one rotation.

Thats 4-6 autos from any ADC. thats 1,200-2,000 damage worth of autos assuming at least half crit with 50% crit ratio.+ abilities cast. She's dead already.

I'm not gonna argue peace bro.

SpecterVonBarenMay 27, 20154 votes

Unless you're a tank with good base damage like Naut or something, how are you going to 1v1 Leblanc if your first item is BV?

AbsoluteSadmanMay 27, 20151 votes

But what if she hits the cloned distortion?

lDontLiftIcarryMay 27, 20151 votes

I said it doesnt matter if she cant land Q+ pop it with E which is what the combo is. W W(R) QE W(to run away while ignite tick kills you assuming you don't have BV)

Marcq34May 27, 20151 votes

I'm pretty sure that isn't her combo lol It shouls be EQQ(R)W and if you honestly need ignite go ahead after that.

Vistha KaiMay 27, 20151 votes

Mimicked Disortion does more damage than Mimicked Sigil even with the pop.

lDontLiftIcarryMay 27, 20151 votes

you didnt read anything previous in this comment section. I'm done posting. Quit replying now. Replying to plats and lowers makes my braincells die.

4nth0l0gyMay 26, 20154 votes

OP isn't the right word. The right word is "broken". Her kit is just too mobile.

SexyTaylorSwiftMay 26, 20151 votes

No, the damage that she does is too much. Mobility is fine, when it isn't paired with stupid high damage. A Leblanc can kill you in 0.46 seconds while not even being fed. It's dumb.

4nth0l0gyMay 26, 20152 votes

I can agree that the combination of her damage and mobility is broken.

AkesgerothMay 26, 20153 votes

Hey look it's Leblanc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uklqnTGyD0

TransgressorMay 27, 20153 votes

She's becoming the new Zed, the difference is she is propably going to get legitimate nerfs unlike Zed.

IcyPepperMay 27, 20153 votes

"We think Leblanc is oppressing in lane. Therefore, we are going to touch her attack speed scaling to make last hitting a little harder.

As compensation, we're buffing all her rations by .2 and now her passive procs whenever she so much takes minion aggro. We think this will promote healthier gameplay."

Sona PingMay 27, 20152 votes

As much as I have enjoyed the Zed AS Nerf jokes, said change does actually do something. Zed players were buying Blade of the Ruined King as standard and the lower AS growth hurt the choice and made the damage he got from it less stupid. That's not to say that Zed doesn't need a lot more work than an AS reduction.

LuggMay 27, 20153 votes

LB has ALWAYS been OP.

Solidair3May 26, 20152 votes

Yes. I generally just counterpick and kill her fifty times.

PæanMay 26, 20151 votes

Who do you counterpick her with and what's your landing phase strategy?

I've played Galio/kassadin into her and just shrugged off her damage, but she can still just roam.

Solidair3May 26, 20151 votes

Morgana is my pick of choice, but other good picks are Lissandra, Malzahar (can't keep her from roaming, but you'll have that turret down in no time and she can't all in you without dying), Veigar (his new Q range can keep her out of range if you're good at landing skillshots. And she can't dash out of the cage once it forms), Orianna is good at harassing and shrugging off damage. Additionally, after leblanc has blown her load, your follow up passive-boosted autoattacks WRECK her.

and as for strategy, just push her so she has to blow her W on waveclear instead of on you. Als learn how to predict how she'll act. most LB's return to their W pad as soon as they can, and in this case just aim your attacks at her return position.

Drunk RummateMay 26, 20151 votes

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Who do you counterpick her with and what's your landing phase strategy?

I've played Galio/kassadin into her and just shrugged off her damage, but she can still just roam.

Try Annie - Click to stun and blow her up any time she gets in range. Riven with a hexdinker rush is also pretty good if you can play her well from my personal experience.

I generally do pretty well as Ahri versus Leblanc, but I think that's partly because of how much time I've spent learning the champion.

Worst case scenario you can just grab Malzahar who just wins pretty much any 1v1 situation because suppression is a ridiculous mechanic.

PæanMay 26, 20151 votes

I might play some more riven midlane then. Only issue is the melee vs ranged and people in Plat are actually smart enough to poke me clevery time I try to cs.

Drunk RummateMay 26, 20151 votes

Thing about Riven is that if LB tries to poke you with auto attacks while you CS, you can just go on her since her auto range is fairly low. Assuming there's not a large minion wave you win that trade every time, especially if you shield her QW.

ijustlikejuiceMay 27, 20151 votes

Can confirm, as somebody who barely plays Riven unless its against LB, Riven is a great counter to LB. Both of you can't really touch each other early if you both play right, and as long as you don't dick around with your skills in lane, you're just as ungankable as her, and you scale up a lot harder than she does as you both sit there farming. It's honestly a surprisingly passive lane for the two champions, from my experience at least. Just farm and out scale her, whenever she throws a Q at you, just E away from her unless you feel like you can dodge the E and force her to W or R to pop the mark, in that case, E in, and try to burst her down as fast as possible.

ChessburgerMay 26, 20152 votes

Lux is surprisingly good against her. If you play it right you can't die and it's really easy to block her advances when you position right and have good timing on snare and shield. Pre 6 you easily outdamage her in any trade as long as you fire the snare fast enough and don't let her take favourable trades. Post 6 it gets a bit different because if you're not careful she gets kill potential on you, but you have the power to whittle her down from a range a lot higher than hers and if she dares all in you when at or under 60% she's dead.

Laning vs LB is more about you knowing exactly what your champ does and how to control the flow of your lane than anything else really.

ActualPainMay 27, 20151 votes

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Laning vs LB is more about you knowing exactly what your champ does and how to control the flow of your lane than anything else really.

This

aaronconlinMay 26, 20151 votes

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Who do you counterpick her with and what's your landing phase strategy?

I've played Galio/kassadin into her and just shrugged off her damage, but she can still just roam.

Galio is my go-to mid laner against any AP champ. You just have to hope that your bottom lane pays attention to pings, or follow her if she leaves lane

AbsoluteSadmanMay 27, 20152 votes

Shes new zed is all

Malix FarwinMay 26, 20151 votes

Well because every assassin got nerfed but her. That should tell you something lol. when onne of the weakest assassin becomes the strongest.

MetalGearTeemuMay 26, 20155 votes

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Well because every assassin got nerfed but her. That should tell you something lol. when onne of the weakest assassin becomes the strongest.

Leblanc "falling off" back when she was considered weak was never true. it just took her being used well on a big stage to get the meta sheep to understand how powerful her burst and mobility was at any portion of the game.

LstrikeMay 27, 20151 votes

Why do you think 3 of the top 4 mids in the world (Bjergsen, Faker and Febiven and other being Pawn) favorite champion is LeBlanc? None of other lanes' top players have one fav champion in common.

Titanium70May 27, 20151 votes

I miss the "Suddenly"! xD She´s as strong as she was in Season 2. ^^ Capeable of winning nearly every lane, brilliant in Mid-Game but drops in Lategame.